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06-22-2010, 04:30 PM
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06-22-2010, 04:40 PM
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As much as I like watching Cal racing and betting it, these two only continue to prove my point that it is easier for a standout to dominate the highest levels in California because it's out on an island. Very few shippers as opposed to a Kentucky or New York where the potential talent pool is deeper and the probability of a horse maintaining a long win streak dips significantly.
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06-22-2010, 04:40 PM
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Prove to everyone how aggressive Shirreffs can be spotting his horses... Pull up Hollywood Story.
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06-22-2010, 05:01 PM
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Who or what is 505? Excuse the ignorance.
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06-22-2010, 05:07 PM
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They gave Shirreffs his first big break and he trained a lot of VERY good horses for them. I believe they gave him Bertrando as a rookie trainer on his own after Frankel refused to train him any more.
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06-22-2010, 05:25 PM
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Bertrando was part-owned by the late Ed Nahem of King Edward Stable and he originally was to train the horse when Frankel declined to. However, he couldn't get a trainer's license and for a while at least, John Shirreffs was considered a "program" trainer.
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06-22-2010, 08:17 PM
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06-22-2010, 08:39 PM
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06-22-2010, 08:44 PM
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Just more nebulous nonsense from BBB
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06-22-2010, 08:50 PM
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Yeah - they bred him to a bunch of mares - and than put him back in training I think.
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06-22-2010, 08:49 PM
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The bloodhorse has video about Bertrando, a few things are addressed in it... http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...E-C50B6D13FF8F
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06-22-2010, 09:01 PM
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06-22-2010, 09:01 PM
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http://articles.latimes.com/1994-08-...6280_1_del-mar
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06-22-2010, 05:19 PM
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I think Marshall had something to do woth the Movie Business.
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06-22-2010, 05:27 PM
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Heres a link to the results for the 505 Farm dispersal Sale.
http://barretts.com/SalesResults/results/rs150500.asp I had forgotten a few of these horses that sold that day for Big money PLus I didn't remember 505 having Hook and Ladder when he was 2
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06-22-2010, 05:43 PM
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How about Swept Overboard for just 700K? There's one that eventually shipped East and killed them in the Met Mile two years later: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OF55D5ahx1s
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06-22-2010, 05:53 PM
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06-22-2010, 10:10 PM
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06-22-2010, 05:04 PM
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Here's her first 17 races: http://www.drf.com/row/pps/hollywoodstory.pdf She ended up shipping three more times after that ... Beaten 22 lengths by Pleasant Home in the Distaff. Beaten 16 by Spun Sugar in the Apple Blossom. Beaten 21 by Round Pond in the Distaff. She was smoked all 5 times she left Cal. You can kind of see why the guy isn't a big fan of shipping all over when he's trying to protect a win/loss record.
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