Crist: The great distaffers..

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by CSC

Come on now, do you compare Hank Aaron to Barry Bonds exactly the same, times change and evaluating athletes change.

Exactly?

Sorry, but when someone says " Zenyatta is the best mare of all time " I take that as a comparison to horses from all times....just as I would assume the same comparison if someone said Barry Bonds was the best of all time.

Who wouldn't?

But, I guess those rules are different for Zenyatta.

However, herein lies part of the problem. There seems a need for Zenyatta's fans to declare her as the best horse ever, or something of the like, which I suppose eminates from their unquenchable envy of Rachel Alexandra for her HOY title, as opposed to just ( and when I say " just " I am rolling my eyes ) settling for some version of " great. " Declaring she is something she is not only diminishes her.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Exactly?

Sorry, but when someone says " Zenyatta is the best mare of all time " I take that as a comparison to horses from all times....just as I would assume the same comparison if someone said Barry Bonds was the best of all time.

Who wouldn't?

But, I guess those rules are different for Zenyatta.

However, herein lies part of the problem. There seems a need for Zenyatta's fans to declare her as the best horse ever, or something of the like, which I suppose eminates from their unquenchable envy of Rachel Alexandra for her HOY title, as opposed to just ( and when I say " just " I am rolling my eyes ) settling for some version of " great. " Declaring she is something she is not only diminishes her.

seriously, who has claimed she is the greatest of all time on this board, other than maybe Smooth Operator?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

seriously, who has claimed she is the greatest of all time on this board, other than maybe Smooth Operator?

You're kidding....right?

I never said I was specifically talking about this board.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You're kidding....right?

I never said I was specifically talking about this board.

I just think your promoting, without proper context, this idea that the majority of Zenyatta fans are delusional about her ability and place in history, its just not accurate.

[Gaining Ground]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

seriously, who has claimed she is the greatest of all time on this board, other than maybe Smooth Operator?

does steve davidowitz count because he said it and is technically a member of the board?

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Gaining Ground

does steve davidowitz count because he said it and is technically a member of the board?

Oh, hush up.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Gaining Ground

does steve davidowitz count because he said it and is technically a member of the board?

yes he did, but like I mentioned in my response there seems to be this growing majority coming out of no where when I read many posts, its just not accurate.

Zenyatta is very very very good. I have no idea if she is better than Lady's Secret, or Susans Girl, or any other great mare from the past. She runs on a different surface 80% of the time.

[Gaining Ground]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

yes he did, but like I mentioned in my response there seems to be this growing majority coming out of no where when I read many posts, its just not accurate.

it is pretty accurate i think. why do you think these conversations are going on on every horse racing message board on the net?

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Gaining Ground

it is pretty accurate i think. why do you think these conversations are going on on every horse racing message board on the net?

The narrative that people think Zenyatta IS the best horse ever, or even the best female ever is not accurate in totality. Yet that is the perception of anyone that supports Zenyatta.

I would put her in the group, but its a pretty good field.

[Gaining Ground]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

The narrative that people think Zenyatta IS the best horse ever, or even the best female ever is not accurate in totality. Yet that is the perception of anyone that supports Zenyatta.

I would put her in the group, but its a pretty good field.

its not perception. its reality. not everyone, but definitely more than you are portraying. listen to what people have said and what they write.

i would put her in the group as well. just not near the top. not yet.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Exactly?

Sorry, but when someone says " Zenyatta is the best mare of all time " I take that as a comparison to horses from all times....just as I would assume the same comparison if someone said Barry Bonds was the best of all time.

Who wouldn't?

But, I guess those rules are different for Zenyatta.

However, herein lies part of the problem. There seems a need for Zenyatta's fans to declare her as the best horse ever, or something of the like, which I suppose eminates from their unquenchable envy of Rachel Alexandra for her HOY title, as opposed to just ( and when I say " just " I am rolling my eyes ) settling for some version of " great. " Declaring she is something she is not only diminishes her.

I would think all of the 3, maybe 4 Zenyatta fans on this board never would say she is the best racemare of all time at this point, plus I don't think anyone other than SO really cares about HOY in 09 or 10, but that's his schtick and considering the over the top admiration of the one filly here for the past year, it is refreshing to some or atleast to myself it is.