Obama taking away constitutional rights?

[Honu]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Seriously, only absolutely paranoid Obama haters could construe this:


(c) contains a list of national priorities on health promotion and disease prevention to address lifestyle behavior modification (including smoking cessation, proper nutrition, appropriate exercise, mental health, behavioral health, substance-use disorder, and domestic violence screenings) and the prevention measures for the five leading disease killers in the United States;

as some kind of tell that there is a forthcoming storm of soldiers knocking at your door to check if you're smoking or drinking and what you're eating.

Considering that "behavior modification" is what has people foaming at the mouth here, I see you have a good point -- they're actually going to make a LIST of things that would make Americans healthier like exercise and eating well and not beating your wife and not abusing drugs, and they're going to put it an annual report to Congress. Whoa -- a list in a yearly report. Board up your houses and get your guns ready, guys, this one is for real! This is the one where our rights start to get trampled, when people make lists of healthy things and present them to Congress. I knew it was going to happen!

Yikes -- a very, very threatening list that just stinks of a socialist takeover and random government checks and enforcement on my eating habits.

Get a grip, people. This is why nobody takes the threads that actually might have some merit seriously, because a reaction to something like this just shows that this is not about actual concerns...but about weird paranoia that's not at all based in reality about Obama and his plans for the country.

It would border on comedy if it weren't so sad.

Im glad it doesnt bother you even a little bit that way if you do something in your lifestyle that needs modifying you wont have a problem with uncle sam changing it for you . I dont hate Obama, I just really despise his policies , no time in history has a president ever used the words "Behavior Modification"
And if its all cool with you then maybe you should offer yourself up as the first person who would like to have their behaviors modified.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Honu

Im glad it doesnt bother you even a little bit that way if you do something in your lifestyle that needs modifying you wont have a problem with uncle sam changing it for you . I dont hate Obama, I just really despise his policies , no time in history has a president ever used the words "Behavior Modification"
And if its all cool with you then maybe you should offer yourself up as the first person who would like to have their behaviors modified.

I would certainly have a problem with that -- thank goodness that there is NOTHING at all in there that could possibly be construed in that way unless you're going in trying to find a problem with it.

The other thing I have a problem with is that you somehow managed to get forced government behavior modification from that term being used in conjunction with a list being presented to Congress.

Not even close. When Obama's folks knock on your door to check if you're exercising or smoking, then come back here and let me know, and I'll defend you 'til I'm blue in the face. Because it's not happening, it's not going to happen, and nothing at all in the words you posted above could even remotely, reasonably be construed as anything close to that.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

I would certainly have a problem with that -- thank goodness that there is NOTHING at all in there that could possibly be construed in that way unless you're going in trying to find a problem with it.

The other thing I have a problem with is that you somehow managed to get forced government behavior modification from that term being used in conjunction with a list being presented to Congress.

Not even close. When Obama's folks knock on your door to check if you're exercising or smoking, then come back here and let me know, and I'll defend you 'til I'm blue in the face. Because it's not happening, it's not going to happen, and nothing at all in the words you posted above could even remotely, reasonably be construed as anything close to that.

They wont come knock on the door , it will be way smoother and I bet Cass Sunstein will have some advice on how to make it happen . I see it as this maybe down the road after all the "scientific recommendations" and agencies with commitees get their stuff together they could say something like," Because this that and the other is bad for you if you dont stop your behavior we wont let you into our government health care program". Its called a nudge and its fundemental in behaivor modification.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Honu

They wont come knock on the door , it will be way smoother and I bet Cass Sunstein will have some advice on how to make it happen . I see it as this maybe down the road after all the "scientific recommendations" and agencies with commitees get their stuff together they could say something like," Because this that and the other is bad for you if you dont stop your behavior we wont let you into our government health care program". Its called a nudge and its fundemental in behaivor modification.

This is wacko conspiracy theorist stuff here, Honu. You're way brighter than this.

[Rupert Pupkin]

There are some areas where I have no problem with the government getting involved. In some states, the government is forcing restaurants to stop using dangerous oils in their foods. I believe that in California that McDonalds was forced to use a healthier oil for their french fries. I personally think that's a good thing.