A question for those that do not like Zenyatta...

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by cakes44

Did she really bring new fans to the sport? I don't know any.

people who know i'm a race fan have never asked me about zenyatta, her win streak...but they question me about rachel, the t.c. races, and even knew who won the preakness.

[Port Conway Lane]

Originally Posted by Danzig

people who know i'm a race fan have never asked me about zenyatta, her win streak...but they question me about rachel, the t.c. races, and even knew who won the preakness.

Mine That Bird,Super Saver,Looking At Lucky etc. etc. are more well known than Zenyatta among my friends who know little about horse racing.

[miraja2]

It would be odd to dislike a horse like Zenyatta, but I have to admit that at least a part of me would be a little happy to see her lose, just because I would take some enjoyment from the pain and confusion this would cause her legion of worshipers. The same thing was true of Bernardini a few years ago. I didn't hate the horse, but his fans were freakin' annoying. I enjoyed watching Invasor running by the colt in the final strides of the BCC just because I knew that all of Bernardini's fans would be dumbfounded that such a thing had happened.

Also, like Chuck and others have said, it would be nice to see her (and Rachel this year) being placed in better races. I can't imagine how excited I would be for the Foster today if those two were both in there against Battle Plan, Blame, Duke of Mischief, General Quarters, etc. That would truly be a horse racing EVENT.

So will I enjoy watching her run this weekend? Yeah, probably a little. She's a good horse who runs her race EVERY time. It would be hard not to appreciate that. But it is tough to watch her knowing that each victory adds fuel to the ridiculous fire set by her fans, and that usually (the BCC and the Apple Blossoms being the exceptions) there is some other race I wished she had been entered in instead.

[miraja2]

My analogy above got me thinking about who is more annoying and over-the-top....Zenyatta fans the past two years or Bernardini fans in 2006? As far as I am concerned the answer is....hands down....the Bernardini fans of 2006.
If you don't believe me or are just anxious for a trip down DT's memory lane, here you go:
http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3752
http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2503

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by miraja2

My analogy above got me thinking about who is more annoying and over-the-top....Zenyatta fans the past two years or Bernardini fans in 2006? As far as I am concerned the answer is....hands down....the Bernardini fans of 2006.
If you don't believe me or are just anxious for a trip down DT's memory lane, here you go:
http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3752
http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2503

Yeah, annoying and over the top, Bern.

Stubborn refusal to see reason? Zen

[chucklestheclown]

Originally Posted by miraja2

My analogy above got me thinking about who is more annoying and over-the-top....Zenyatta fans the past two years or Bernardini fans in 2006? As far as I am concerned the answer is....hands down....the Bernardini fans of 2006.
If you don't believe me or are just anxious for a trip down DT's memory lane, here you go:
http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3752
http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2503

For some reason I can't read all the posts on those threads, but I'll go with Z's fans being more annoying. At least the Bernardini lovers had somewhat of a case.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by chucklestheclown

At least the Bernardini lovers had somewhat of a case.

Not when the "case" they were making was:

"I think bernardini is better than the Zapper...I really do if you look how easily he is winning right now and not even being asked for his best...."

or this one:
"Bernardini would destroy Secretariat and Spectacular Bid."

Two quotes from the first thread....sadly, from two different posters.

[chucklestheclown]

LOL!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Not when the "case" they were making was:

"I think bernardini is better than the Zapper...I really do if you look how easily he is winning right now and not even being asked for his best...."

or this one:
"Bernardini would destroy Secretariat and Spectacular Bid."

Two quotes from the first thread....sadly, from two different posters.

this is why i think it's best to wait a few years after a horse has left the scene to start figuring where they stack up. and honestly, to me those comparisons seem laughable-moreso rather than less at this point. you look back at skip away (they were revisiting the late skippy today with his owner on hrtv) and he only grows in stature. bernardini-not so much.

[Port Conway Lane]

Originally Posted by miraja2

It would be odd to dislike teams like the Cowboys, but I have to admit that at least a part of me would be a little happy to see them lose, just because I would take some enjoyment from the pain and confusion this would cause their legion of worshipers. The same thing was true of the Yankees a few years ago. I didn't hate the team, but their fans were freakin' annoying. I enjoyed watching the Red Sox beating the sh it out of them in the ALCS just because I knew that all of the Yankees fans would be dumbfounded that such a thing had happened.

I can relate.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Port Conway Lane

I can relate.

That's no joke.
I was living in NYC in '04. I'm a Dodger fan and an NL guy all the way so I didn't give a crap about the Sox or the Yanks, but living in New York when they blew that 3-0 series lead was wonderful. I fully enjoyed every single minute of the pain and humiliation all of the fans around me seemed to be experiencing.

[Port Conway Lane]

Originally Posted by miraja2

That's no joke.
I was living in NYC in '04. I'm a Dodger fan and an NL guy all the way so I didn't give a crap about the Sox or the Yanks, but living in New York when they blew that 3-0 series lead was wonderful. I fully enjoyed every single minute of the pain and humiliation all of the fans around me seemed to be experiencing.

Me too !

[westcoastinvader]

Originally Posted by miraja2

That's no joke.
I was living in NYC in '04. I'm a Dodger fan and an NL guy all the way so I didn't give a crap about the Sox or the Yanks, but living in New York when they blew that 3-0 series lead was wonderful. I fully enjoyed every single minute of the pain and humiliation all of the fans around me seemed to be experiencing.

Hey, don't be so hard on New York.

New Yorkers have David Patterson as Governor, Hillary Clinton as US Senator, and the fine workings of the NYRA for the betterment of horse racing.

Fuggetaboutit.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by miraja2

That's no joke.
I was living in NYC in '04. I'm a Dodger fan and an NL guy all the way so I didn't give a crap about the Sox or the Yanks, but living in New York when they blew that 3-0 series lead was wonderful. I fully enjoyed every single minute of the pain and humiliation all of the fans around me seemed to be experiencing.

I was in the city on a business trip in '04 at that time.. and yes I 100% agree.. it was wonderful.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by miraja2

It would be odd to dislike a horse like Zenyatta, but I have to admit that at least a part of me would be a little happy to see her lose, just because I would take some enjoyment from the pain and confusion this would cause her legion of worshipers. The same thing was true of Bernardini a few years ago. I didn't hate the horse, but his fans were freakin' annoying. I enjoyed watching Invasor running by the colt in the final strides of the BCC just because I knew that all of Bernardini's fans would be dumbfounded that such a thing had happened.

Also, like Chuck and others have said, it would be nice to see her (and Rachel this year) being placed in better races. I can't imagine how excited I would be for the Foster today if those two were both in there against Battle Plan, Blame, Duke of Mischief, General Quarters, etc. That would truly be a horse racing EVENT.

So will I enjoy watching her run this weekend? Yeah, probably a little. She's a good horse who runs her race EVERY time. It would be hard not to appreciate that. But it is tough to watch her knowing that each victory adds fuel to the ridiculous fire set by her fans, and that usually (the BCC and the Apple Blossoms being the exceptions) there is some other race I wished she had been entered in instead.

Okay I admit....I enjoyed that more than "a little."

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Danzig

people who know i'm a race fan have never asked me about zenyatta, her win streak...but they question me about rachel, the t.c. races, and even knew who won the preakness.

any horse who wins a triple crown race is much more well known or popular with the non-racing folks. The Breeders Cup means nothing outside of the horse racing world. The Kentucky Derby means everything to the outside... and then they will watch the Preakness (especially when a filly is in it). If there is a TC try, then the masses will watch the Belmont...

No TC try, and noone cares about the Belmont either.