The End Of Men

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by joeydb

The difference between overclass and underclass is defined by the observer, and is relative by definition. In any case, the overclass is not obligated to take more crap because of that alleged status.

said the white guy.

[brianwspencer]

My gentle tears for your plight are overflowing, joeydb.

I truly feel for you and wish that we could somehow reverse all of the things that made being a white, straight, able-bodied man as ridiculously tough and patently unfair as it is these days.

It really has gotten out of control, and we should all band together and find a way to do something about it because nobody should have to go through life being that disadvantaged in so many ways. How can anyone ever have any reasonable expectation of success, what with so many strikes against them before they even get started?

It's a testament to your fortitude that you've managed to overcome all of your inherent disadvantages, joeydb, and because of that example you've set and the incredible courage you've shown in refusing to be kept down and never taking no for an answer, I'm glad to say that I'm proud to share this internet space with a true American success story and hero like you.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

My gentle tears for your plight are overflowing, joeydb.

I truly feel for you and wish that we could somehow reverse all of the things that made being a white, straight, able-bodied man as ridiculously tough and patently unfair as it is these days.

It really has gotten out of control, and we should all band together and find a way to do something about it because nobody should have to go through life being that disadvantaged in so many ways. How can anyone ever have any reasonable expectation of success, what with so many strikes against them before they even get started?

It's a testament to your fortitude that you've managed to overcome all of your inherent disadvantages, joeydb, and because of that example you've set and the incredible courage you've shown in refusing to be kept down and never taking no for an answer, I'm glad to say that I'm proud to share this internet space with a true American success story and hero like you.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

My gentle tears for your plight are overflowing, joeydb.

I truly feel for you and wish that we could somehow reverse all of the things that made being a white, straight, able-bodied man as ridiculously tough and patently unfair as it is these days.

It really has gotten out of control, and we should all band together and find a way to do something about it because nobody should have to go through life being that disadvantaged in so many ways. How can anyone ever have any reasonable expectation of success, what with so many strikes against them before they even get started?

It's a testament to your fortitude that you've managed to overcome all of your inherent disadvantages, joeydb, and because of that example you've set and the incredible courage you've shown in refusing to be kept down and never taking no for an answer, I'm glad to say that I'm proud to share this internet space with a true American success story and hero like you.

Wow, no "white, straight, able-bodied man" (you're guessing on all counts) should bother sticking up for himself, or consider not taking the B.S. of any countergroups because, why, it hurts your feelings?

If you feel threatened by (gasp) someone challenging all this political correctness, I guess it's really a house of cards. Wow, imagine if I were in elected office -- we could trash all this P.C. stuff overnight.

I don't need to be politically correct. "Political" is a qualifier of sorts -- I'm just correct.

Interesting that the colleges have "Women's studies" and "Latino Studies" and others, but not "White Male" studies. Actually, they do. It's called "History".

I reject ALL of the group rights focus. The individual is where all rights reside, no matter what ethnic background, sex, lifestyle, whatever. But no individual should be penalized because of his or her background - not even the white ones.

Oh, and by the way, a group cannot claim equality and rely on preferences at the same time.

[Riot]

joey, I think you're going to be very disappointed in the future, white males in the US are on the way to permanent minority status.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Riot

joey, I think you're going to be very disappointed in the future, white males in the US are on the way to permanent minority status.

Why would I care about that? It's not the numerical amount of white males. It's whether every other group will be given advantages and preferences over them. That's the argument.

Will they suddenly get all kinds of preferences once they slip into the minority? I think not. This always seems to be a one way street. The majority -- today I guess it's slightly "white" -- is always the group paying for all this crap. The working people can't stay home and have as many kids as they want. Nobody is going to pay for THEIR kids. They don't get an unearned check.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Wow, no "white, straight, able-bodied man" (you're guessing on all counts) should bother sticking up for himself, or consider not taking the B.S. of any countergroups because, why, it hurts your feelings?

If you feel threatened by (gasp) someone challenging all this political correctness, I guess it's really a house of cards. Wow, imagine if I were in elected office -- we could trash all this P.C. stuff overnight.

I don't need to be politically correct. "Political" is a qualifier of sorts -- I'm just correct.

Interesting that the colleges have "Women's studies" and "Latino Studies" and others, but not "White Male" studies. Actually, they do. It's called "History".

I reject ALL of the group rights focus. The individual is where all rights reside, no matter what ethnic background, sex, lifestyle, whatever. But no individual should be penalized because of his or her background - not even the white ones.

Oh, and by the way, a group cannot claim equality and rely on preferences at the same time.

no "white, straight, able-bodied man" should be carrying the enormous chip on their shoulder you apparently have.

it's amazing you've made it as far as you have with all those disadvantages.

relax a little and enjoy the incredible benefits like i do. drop the pissed off attitude and you'll be amazed at what you can get away with.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

no "white, straight, able-bodied man" should be carrying the enormous chip on their shoulder you apparently have.

it's amazing you've made it as far as you have with all those disadvantages.

relax a little and enjoy the incredible benefits like i do. drop the pissed off attitude and you'll be amazed at what you can get away with.

Not wanting to take the P.C. crap and reverse discrimination is not the same as having "an enormous chip" on one's shoulder.

I didn't start this thread. But when the premise is that "men are about to be useless" it's just pure bull. First, the media and the government stacks the deck against men, especially caucasians, then looks at the stacked deck and says we're not relevant.

The only reason this crap has gotten as far as it has is that the majority has been scared into silence. If everybody spoke up the playing field would truly be even.

[Honu]

Oh whahhhhhhhh , heres some cheese for your whine {::}. Jezzus get a pair already there isnt one group of human being that has more advanatges for being born than a white man.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Not wanting to take the P.C. crap and reverse discrimination is not the same as having "an enormous chip" on one's shoulder.

I didn't start this thread. But when the premise is that "men are about to be useless" it's just pure bull. First, the media and the government stacks the deck against men, especially caucasians, then looks at the stacked deck and says we're not relevant.

The only reason this crap has gotten as far as it has is that the majority has been scared into silence. If everybody spoke up the playing field would truly be even.

i didn't start the thread either. i also didn't take what you apparently did from the article.

but if you want to march through life as an able bodied white male victim, i doubt there's much more i can i say to change your attitude.

you're missing a great party, though.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Wow, no "white, straight, able-bodied man" (you're guessing on all counts) should bother sticking up for himself, or consider not taking the B.S. of any countergroups because, why, it hurts your feelings?

If you feel threatened by (gasp) someone challenging all this political correctness, I guess it's really a house of cards. Wow, imagine if I were in elected office -- we could trash all this P.C. stuff overnight.

I don't need to be politically correct. "Political" is a qualifier of sorts -- I'm just correct.

Interesting that the colleges have "Women's studies" and "Latino Studies" and others, but not "White Male" studies. Actually, they do. It's called "History".

I reject ALL of the group rights focus. The individual is where all rights reside, no matter what ethnic background, sex, lifestyle, whatever. But no individual should be penalized because of his or her background - not even the white ones.

Oh, and by the way, a group cannot claim equality and rely on preferences at the same time.

Someone call the waaaaaaambulance -- woe is the straight, able-bodied, white man and all of his poor, poor disadvantages.

I really do feel for you. It's not threatening at all, trust me. Hilarious and at least a little bit sad, yes, but threatening is about as far from the right word for it as you could possibly find.

Though I'm glad you feel you're fighting a noble fight here, as I don't think there is any denying that you certainly are: standing up for the perpetually underprivileged, universally underrepresented, and always disadvantaged white men out there. Rosa Parks, Martin Luther King, and their civil rights pioneer peers would applaud your courage for having the strength to really stand up to the machine here. And I join them, but then again, they're both black and probably are at the core of your being as incredibly disadvantaged as you are right now, so perhaps I chose the wrong set of people -- as they're obviously the root of the advantaged oppressors in this situation, and they're the reason everyone is able to keep you down as they do.

The world would be better off without white people. There definitely wouldn't be any stories on teenagers lost at sea. You don't see black people doing stupid s.hit like that.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

The world would be better off without white people. There definitely wouldn't be any stories on teenagers lost at sea. You don't see black people doing stupid s.hit like that.

How about that father? He was on 20/20 last week saying how he "listened to his daughter" as if others don't. Complete ahole who is lucky she is alive.

[randallscott35]

Joey got us off topic here. The issue is not a color issue it is a gender issue and it is real. As someone who daily sees girls outperforming boys you have to ask what is going on. If 60% of college grads are girls you can fully expect that the future for men is bleaker than the past. I'm happy that girls are doing well. I'm upset that something we are doing as a society is failing boys.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Interesting that the colleges have "Women's studies" and "Latino Studies" and others, but not "White Male" studies. Actually, they do. It's called "History".

Thankfully, your statement here regarding what constitutes "history" in the academy is completely false.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

My gentle tears for your plight are overflowing, joeydb.

I truly feel for you and wish that we could somehow reverse all of the things that made being a white, straight, able-bodied man as ridiculously tough and patently unfair as it is these days.

It really has gotten out of control, and we should all band together and find a way to do something about it because nobody should have to go through life being that disadvantaged in so many ways. How can anyone ever have any reasonable expectation of success, what with so many strikes against them before they even get started?

It's a testament to your fortitude that you've managed to overcome all of your inherent disadvantages, joeydb, and because of that example you've set and the incredible courage you've shown in refusing to be kept down and never taking no for an answer, I'm glad to say that I'm proud to share this internet space with a true American success story and hero like you.

I'm sure every white guy out there has had a really easy life. And I'm sure every minority has it sooooo hard and had so much to overcome.

That actually may have been true 40 or 50 years ago. Nowadays, I don't think it's the case at all. If anything, it may even be an advantage to be a minority. I doubt a guy like Tiger Woods would be nearly the celebrity he is if he were just a white guy. Don't get me wrong. I'm sure he would have been the biggest celebrity of any golfer because he is the best. I'm just saying I doubt that he would have been making $100 million a year in endorsement deals if he was white. If he was white, he might have made $60 million a year in endorements. The reason is because it's considered "cool" to be a minority. I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm just saying that in this day and age, I don't think there is any disadvantage to being a minority.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I'm sure every white guy out there has had a really easy life. And I'm sure every minority has it sooooo hard and had so much to overcome.

That actually may have been true 40 or 50 years ago. Nowadays, I don't think it's the case at all. If anything, it may even be an advantage to be a minority. I doubt a guy like Tiger Woods would be nearly the celebrity he is if he were just a white guy. Don't get me wrong. I'm sure he would have been the biggest celebrity of any golfer because he is the best. I'm just saying I doubt that he would have been making $100 million a year in endorsement deals if he was white. If he was white, he might have made $60 million a year in endorements. The reason is because it's considered "cool" to be a minority. I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm just saying that in this day and age, I don't think there is any disadvantage to being a minority.

Rupert -- the idea is not to say that there is no chance for minorities to be successful, or to deny the fact that we have come a long way.

But to deny the fact that there are still a boatload of inherent advantages in being born a white male is simply ridiculous. Just because we've got a black president and Tiger Woods got famous doesn't mean it's all of the sudden a level playing field and by and large across society minorities are not still underprivileged and disavantaged, and that the advantages white men are born with have somehow disappeared.

It's a more level playing field than it once was, but it's a hilariously privileged assertion (always made, unsurprisingly, by white men themselves. Go figure) that somehow being a white man just ain't what it used to be and that's it's actually a disadvantage of some kind.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Rupert -- the idea is not to say that there is no chance for minorities to be successful, or to deny the fact that we have come a long way.

But to deny the fact that there are still a boatload of inherent advantages in being born a white male is simply ridiculous. Just because we've got a black president and Tiger Woods got famous doesn't mean it's all of the sudden a level playing field and by and large across society minorities are not still underprivileged and disavantaged, and that the advantages white men are born with have somehow disappeared.

It's a more level playing field than it once was, but it's a hilariously privileged assertion (always made, unsurprisingly, by white men themselves. Go figure) that somehow being a white man just ain't what it used to be and that's it's actually a disadvantage of some kind.

I'll bet that if you did a poll today amongst minorities that are in their 20s and 30s that went to good schools and that are successful, I'll bet that a high percentage of them (maybe 50%) would tell you that being a minority did not hurt them.

Minorities are excelling in all areas.

If you lined up 10 six-year old kids of all races in front of me and asked me to predict which ones would be the most successful, I would make my predictions based mainly on what kind of familes these kids came from. If you had a black kid from a middle-class family with good parents, I think he would have a better chance of being successful than a white kid who lived in a trailer park whose parents were drug addicits. If you have a black kid whose dad is a 22 year old gang member vs an Asian kid whose dad is a doctor, I think there is a better chance that the Asian kid would be successful.

I think that race would play a very minor role. Do you think race is more important than what type of parents a kid has?

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I'll bet that if you did a poll today amongst minorities that are in their 20s and 30s that went to good schools and that are successful, I'll bet that a high percentage of them (maybe 50%) would tell you that being a minority did not hurt them.

Minorities are excelling in all areas.

If you lined up 10 six-year old kids of all races in front of me and asked me to predict which ones would be the most successful, I would make my predictions based mainly on what kind of familes these kids came from. If you had a black kid from a middle-class family with good parents, I think he would have a better chance of being successful than a white kid who lived in a trailer park whose parents were drug addicits. If you have a black kid whose dad is a 22 year old gang member vs an Asian kid whose dad is a doctor, I think there is a better chance that the Asian kid would be successful.

I think that race would play a very minor role. Do you think race is more important than what type of parents a kid has?

Rupert..fortunately, that is your opinion and it's the right one. But I know you are worldly, or at least know that the South isn't as much, to realize that ain't what happens out there. If you are born Black in the US you will be proving yourself the whole way...obviously it doesn't mean you won't be a success...whatever that means...but you will NEVER be given the free pass that whities are.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Rupert..fortunately, that is your opinion and it's the right one. But I know you are worldly, or at least know that the South isn't as much, to realize that ain't what happens out there. If you are born Black in the US you will be proving yourself the whole way...obviously it doesn't mean you won't be a success...whatever that means...but you will NEVER be given the free pass that whities are.

I can't pretend to know exactly what things are like in the South. I have never lived there. I have lived in Los Angeles my whole life.

I'm sure every state is a little different and race may play more of a role in certain states, but overall I think everyone has a fair shake right now in the US.

I have a question for you. Do you think being half-black helped Obama or hurt him? All things being the same, do you think he would have gotten more votes or less votes if he was white?