The former Gulf of Mexico

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Those forms of energy have become pretty affordable. They reason they are not in great use is that we in the US haven't been forced to use them. In the US we coast on what we know, and what is easy and familiar. We have lost our desire to innovate when what we have is working. We just came off eight years of oilmen determining our energy policies - what incentives were put forth during that time to not use oil? Right now, we have all the oil we need (for "today"), and we can afford it. We live day to day in the US, we don't plan ahead very well.

They arent as easy or affordable as you want to say they are. The viability of alternative energy sources doesnt have anything to do with what we want or what we know. Geothermal energy simply isnt easily gotten to and areas that it is are remote western states. Wind energy is fraught with issues. Same with hydroelectricity. Their issues have nothing to do with attitudes.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

They arent as easy or affordable as you want to say they are. The viability of alternative energy sources doesnt have anything to do with what we want or what we know. Geothermal energy simply isnt easily gotten to and areas that it is are remote western states. Wind energy is fraught with issues. Same with hydroelectricity. Their issues have nothing to do with attitudes.

Guess we'll disagree completely on that one.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Guess we'll disagree completely on that one.

How do you disagree with facts? The facts are there are a lot of issues with alternate sources of energy. I didn't make them up. They arent my opinion.

[witchdoctor]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

How do you disagree with facts? The facts are there are a lot of issues with alternate sources of energy. I didn't make them up. They arent my opinion.

Riot never let's the facts in the way of her opinion.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by witchdoctor

Riot never let's the facts in the way of her opinion.

That's PKB for many righties in this forum

[Riot]

Originally Posted by witchdoctor

Riot never let's the facts in the way of her opinion.

Really? What facts are you seeing, that I am ignoring?

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

How do you disagree with facts? The facts are there are a lot of issues with alternate sources of energy. I didn't make them up. They arent my opinion.

She is famous for disagreeing with facts. She was of the opinion that Bin Laden was not at all popular amongst Muslims around the world. The polls showed that Bin Laden was very popular in Muslim countries throughout the world. His approval rating was around 50% in most Muslim countries. When Riot was presented with this information, she said, "I disagree." She disagreed that he was popular even though all the polls showed he was popular. Even though the polls showed that somewhere around 50% of Muslims admired Bin Laden, Riot continued to believe that it was only a tiny percentage of Muslims that admired him.

Hypothetical conversation between Cannon and Riot:

Cannon: The Lakers beat the Celtics last night.

Riot: I disagree.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

She is famous for disagreeing with facts. She was of the opinion that Bin Laden was not at all popular amongst Muslims around the world. The polls showed that Bin Laden was very popular in Muslim countries throughout the world.

Immediately following 9/11, only in a few countries. You keep leaving that part out

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Riot

Immediately following 9/11, only in a few countries. You keep leaving that part out

It wasn't just a few countries. It was all the big Muslim countries.

Let me ask you a question. You seem to have an opinion on this. I'm not sure what your opinion is based on but you seem to have an opinion. Here is my question: If you would have done a poll with every single Muslim person in the world and you would have done this poll every month from 2002-2004, what would you guess that Bin Laden's approval rating would have been on average during this period?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

It wasn't just a few countries. It was all the big Muslim countries.

Let me ask you a question. You seem to have an opinion on this. I'm not sure what your opinion is based on but you seem to have an opinion. Here is my question: If you would have done a poll with every single Muslim person in the world and you would have done this poll every month from 2002-2004, what would you guess that Bin Laden's approval rating would have been on average during this period?

What do you think Bin Laden's approval rating is today?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

How do you disagree with facts? The facts are there are a lot of issues with alternate sources of energy. I didn't make them up. They arent my opinion.

You haven't mentioned any facts. You said these forms of alternative energy are expensive, I've said they've become pretty affordable, increasingly inexpensive. There is geothermal in Kentucky - public buildings and private homes & businesses. Of course there are issues - and I think the biggest is the statement I highlighted and disagreed with, where you said, "doesnt have anything to do with what we want or what we know." I think it has a heck of alot to do with what we want and know. You disagree.

You want facts, throw some out there.

Here's some: here's a website for heating/air company that installs geothermal private heating/cooling in your town of Louisville Kentucky. You could go geothermal tomorrow:
http://www.louisvilleair.com/waterfu...geothermal.htm

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

You haven't mentioned any facts. You said these forms of alternative energy are expensive, I've said they've become pretty affordable, increasingly inexpensive. There is geothermal in Kentucky - public buildings and private homes & businesses. Of course there are issues - and I think the biggest is the statement I highlighted and disagreed with, where you said, "doesnt have anything to do with what we want or what we know." I think it has a heck of alot to do with what we want and know. You disagree.

You want facts, throw some out there.

Here's some: here's a website for heating/air company that installs geothermal private heating/cooling in your town of Louisville Kentucky. You could go geothermal tomorrow:
http://www.louisvilleair.com/waterfu...geothermal.htm

Give me a break. The fact remains that alt sources of energy are fraught with issues and aren't cheap. Sure I could go solar too if i had a spare 125k to spend on it. I could switch over to geothermal if I had a spare 25k. And I live in a relatively small house.

If scientists could figure out how to store Riot's hot air then we could have an endless supply of clean energy.

[Rileyoriley]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

If scientists could figure out how to store Riot's hot air then we could have an endless supply of clean energy.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Give me a break. The fact remains that alt sources of energy are fraught with issues and aren't cheap. Sure I could go solar too if i had a spare 125k to spend on it. I could switch over to geothermal if I had a spare 25k. And I live in a relatively small house.

Or you could replace your furnace, hot water heater, and central air conditioning units for $10-12K when they break, decline the energy savings tax break you'd get with geo, and forfeit the significant daily operational cost savings over a much longer equipment lifetime (that would make the equipment pay for itself in a significantly shorter timeframe than regular gas appliances).

The fact remains that the main thing standing in the way of alternative energy source development and use in the US is the public's lack of desire to embrace it. The technology is advancing, the costs are coming down, but some Americans have no interest whatsoever in learning about the possibilities.

Edit: and it's about time for one of you predictable herd to blame it all on Obama

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Or you could replace your furnace, hot water heater, and central air conditioning units for $10-12K when they break, decline the energy savings tax break you'd get with geo, and forfeit the significant daily operational cost savings over a much longer equipment lifetime (that would make the equipment pay for itself in a significantly shorter timeframe than regular gas appliances).

The fact remains that the main thing standing in the way of alternative energy source development and use in the US is the public's lack of desire to embrace it. The technology is advancing, the costs are coming down, but some Americans have no interest whatsoever in learning about the possibilities.

Edit: and it's about time for one of you predictable herd to blame it all on Obama

The public would embrace it if it wasnt so expensive. Regardless of your spin above I would still have to come up with 25k in order to save roughly a $1000 a year. It all sounds great till you have to come up with the cash.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

Or you could replace your furnace, hot water heater, and central air conditioning units for $10-12K when they break, decline the energy savings tax break you'd get with geo, and forfeit the significant daily operational cost savings over a much longer equipment lifetime (that would make the equipment pay for itself in a significantly shorter timeframe than regular gas appliances).

The fact remains that the main thing standing in the way of alternative energy source development and use in the US is the public's lack of desire to embrace it. The technology is advancing, the costs are coming down, but some Americans have no interest whatsoever in learning about the possibilities.

Edit: and it's about time for one of you predictable herd to blame it all on Obama

good lord, glad i don't live in kentucky. i replaced my heat pump/air conditioner with the top of the line unit available, and spent half that. a new water heater for about $350 more, if i needed one. my cooling bill is less than half what it was already, and that's without leaving electricity and going to solar or geothermal. no need to go with all that fancy stuff, when simply going with more efficient units save money and electricity., thereby saving energy.

thing is, if alternatives were readily available, and just as cost efficient as what we have currently, there would be no hesitation to use them. it's just not the case.