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Cannon Shell · #1 10-03-2006, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek

They may not have the best mares (not all farms can be Juddmonte

), but their marketing to get the best mares is down right brilliant.

Marketing may sell rain jackets but it usually spells desperation in the stallion business. If your mare produces a stake winner you wont necessarily need a free stud fee.

#2 10-03-2006, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Marketing may sell rain jackets but it usually spells desperation in the stallion business. If your mare produces a stake winner you wont necessarily need a free stud fee.

LOL! Cannon Shell you read my mind.

Sightseek · #3 10-03-2006, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Marketing may sell rain jackets but it usually spells desperation in the stallion business. If your mare produces a stake winner you wont necessarily need a free stud fee.

They are trying to break into a market that is pretty exclusive to a very small amount of farms, of course they are desperate. But, you also can't stand there and not try something new to compete with them.

Cannon Shell · #4 10-03-2006, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek

They are trying to break into a market that is pretty exclusive to a very small amount of farms, of course they are desperate. But, you also can't stand there and not try something new to compete with them.

Uh what about doing what works in other businesses, competitive pricing.

paisjpq · #5 10-03-2006, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Uh what about doing what works in other businesses, competitive pricing.

stop with the blasphemy!

Sightseek · #6 10-03-2006, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Uh what about doing what works in other businesses, competitive pricing.

The only horse on their roster that I don't see as being very competitive is Unforgettable Max, expecially when you can breed to Giant's Causeway's brother for like $3,500. Not too sure what Hill N' Dale had Doneraile Court at as I was never a fan. Leroidanimaux, pedigree & performance...but you need a very correct mare to breed to him.

Cannon Shell · #7 10-03-2006, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek

The only horse on their roster that I don't see as being very competitive is Unforgettable Max, expecially when you can breed to Giant's Causeway's brother for like $3,500. Not too sure what Hill N' Dale had Doneraile Court at as I was never a fan. Leroidanimaux, pedigree & performance...but you need a very correct mare to breed to him.

Leroidesanimaux is probably a bit too high at $30k
Doneraile Court is ok at 10K
MDO is a bit pricey at 40K
Unforgetable Max should be 5k
Value Plus is ok at 10k

The prices are ok but not a bargin

randallscott35 · #8 10-03-2006, 12:28 PM

Crafty CT is your value in NY. That horse was very very good.

Kasept · #9 10-03-2006, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35

Crafty CT is your value in NY. That horse was very very good.

Three words...

Say.. Florida.. Sandy.. !!

Seriously though, now he's off to Korea, but one I loved in NY who was WAY underappreciated and underutilized was Judge TC...

Downthestretch55 · #10 10-03-2006, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35

Crafty CT is your value in NY. That horse was very very good.

Randall,
I just looked for Crafty CT at he stallion register at nybreds. I can't find him.
What farm has him?
btw, I think Best of Luck at Highcliff has been throwing some good ones lately. So has Kelly Kip.

Sightseek · #11 10-03-2006, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Leroidesanimaux is probably a bit too high at $30k
Doneraile Court is ok at 10K
MDO is a bit pricey at 40K
Unforgetable Max should be 5k
Value Plus is ok at 10k

The prices are ok but not a bargin

Curious, what stallions do you think are a bargain?

#12 10-03-2006, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek

Curious, what stallions do you think are a bargain?

I think Birdstone is crazy good value at 10 grand.
You are talking about a horse with all the things you look for in a sire.
He won early and fast in his debut at age two.
He won fast at a mile in a grade one at two.
He won at a mile and a half in a classic at age three
He won at a mile and a quarter in a grade one at age three.

I know the knocks on Grindstone, but he occasionally sires fast horses. And his mare also produced an Oaks winner in Bird Town which shows me that he wasn't just a fluke production by the mare.
Don't be surprised if he sires some damn good runners and soars in price before hes all done.

Cannon Shell · #13 10-03-2006, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek

Curious, what stallions do you think are a bargain?

I actually like Value Plus if you were breeding commercially

Cannon Shell · #14 10-03-2006, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek

Curious, what stallions do you think are a bargain?

A.P. Indy @ 300k -sounds crazy but they sell and every mare that was in foal to him to sell at auction brings 1 mill+. If your mare fits and you have the money, I'd rather have him then Kingmambo at similar price or Dynaformer at 150.

Officer @ 15k- 1st crop has run well and should do better as they mature. Also they are popular at auctions.

Eurosilver @ 12500k- Well bred with a nice cross of speed and stamina, priced nice for commercial as well as breed to race people. May be the next Grand Slam if his 1st crop runs well.

Flatter @ 5k- Not really commercial but worth a shot at the price especially if you need speed or size for your mare.

Include @ 12500- May really take off as the 1st crop goes longer. Great mix of speed and stamina except the dam is the speed side.

Jump Start @ 10k- Just think he'll work out.

Medallist @ 8500 - They did not get a huge amount of mares (85 or so) but freakishly fast speed on speed pedigree. If the 1st crop runs early, he may get hot.

Pleasant Tap @ 10k- Solid sire for the race to run people. Most likely not going to get you a 2 year old but he produces year after year.

Three Wonders @5K- Gets nice horses that should stretch and turf also

Put it Back@ 5k- alot to like at the price but are limited to sprinting for the most part.

Bartok @ 5k -great stats with awful mares

Prime Timber @ 3500k - They seem to get to the races and run which is all you can ask for for a cheap NY bred sire.

Catineus @ 6500k - Gets lots and lots of mid range runners. Not very commercial though

#15 10-03-2006, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Leroidesanimaux is probably a bit too high at $30k
Doneraile Court is ok at 10K
MDO is a bit pricey at 40K
Unforgetable Max should be 5k
Value Plus is ok at 10k

The prices are ok but not a bargin

Cannon you and I agree on a lot. Last night I was reading the ad in the Thorougbred Times and set in my mind what I thought they should be standing for.
I had Marquetry ok at 7500.
I had Max at 3500.
I had Value at 10,000
I had Leroi at 10 grand
I had Medag at 30 grand
I had Doneraile at 7500

They are all priced a little high.

Sightseek · #16 10-03-2006, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80

Cannon you and I agree on a lot. Last night I was reading the ad in the Thorougbred Times and set in my mind what I thought they should be standing for.
I had Marquetry ok at 7500.
I had Max at 3500.
I had Value at 10,000
I had Leroi at 10 grand
I had Medag at 30 grand
I had Doneraile at 7500

They are all priced a little high.

Leroi at 10K? He is from one of the best active turf families in recent years and was as game as they come. He may be a bit high now, but I'd say $20-$25K.