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10-03-2006, 09:15 AM
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10-03-2006, 09:17 AM
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10-03-2006, 09:23 AM
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Just about every brrodmare they own has black type in every generation, every friggin one. You ever look at the female family extended pedigree of one of their mares? Geez. In addition people like the Phipps often board or send mares to Claiborne to be bred. Its much easier to make a stallion the way they do it, which is the proper way, than it is to make one at a fledgling operation, no matter how much cash is behind it. Its hard to make a stallion at a place that is relatively new because they usually lack sufficient brodmares to gurantee that the horse will have a nice book through and though. Broodmares are more valuable than sires as a whole right now because of the tremendous amount of mares that have been purchased by Coolmore, the Japanese, and the Sheikhs who are now permanently the property of those operations. When you have a farm that has the ammo to stand a horse and get him to good mares to start him off right, it gives you a big edge.
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10-03-2006, 09:37 AM
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10-03-2006, 09:45 AM
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Breeders know that they can't hit a home run with Giant offspring with the sheikhs, but may hit one with one of his sons standing someplace else.
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10-03-2006, 10:24 AM
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Does Lbig have any mares that would make a good match. From what I here he is not into the breeding end of it except for providing the stud and I dont know what % he retained. In my opinion the 40k will be a good investment, Look for it to jump dramaticaly. So versital Speed, Probably the main atribute for a goos 2y old year,well within TC contintion, grass posibilities, and never showing any soundness problems.One of his seldom mentioned qualitieswas his trainablity. Simply put Versatility and quality.
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10-03-2006, 10:34 AM
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Hes quite enjoying watching the few he has bred run so far. Bad Boy Rising is a homebred whos been 2nd twice(one in a stakes race) and won a race in three starts. He also had a horse break his maiden at Arlington this past summer who ran back off the board in the ARl Wash futurity that he also bred. He really seems to LOVE watching these homebreds perform more than the ones hes bought. Message Red produced a lovely Forest Wildcat this past spring, and she went to Offlee Wild this past year. I know he has a full brother yearling to Bad Boy Rising as well. Hes a remarkable businessman, and I think that he, like many others, have realized that trying to buy yearlings at the Sheikh-Coolmore domnated sales is a real uphill battle and an expensive one to wage. More and more owners are looking to breed their own horses and buy fewer yearlings or two year olds in training.
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10-03-2006, 10:46 AM
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10-03-2006, 10:53 AM
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10-03-2006, 10:41 AM
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I obviously know near nothing about breeding, so can someone explain to me why you'd take a mare to FS for 40G when you could have Medaglia d'Oro for the same price. MD was a Triple Crown runner, sound, won GI races at 3 and 4, and is by another proven sire?
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10-03-2006, 10:46 AM
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Hes also a HUGE risk because hes standing at a fledgling operation without a proven large broodmare base. He may not have gone to the best mares in his debut season, and that could effect future value of the offspring.
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10-03-2006, 10:53 AM
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10-03-2006, 12:06 PM
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I wish Sam the best of luck. But at $40k, I am not sure he is gonna be the best bargain out there. His book will fill, but may not early and may not for the full advertised price. He is by Giant's Causeway, but that may not be the best thing since he is an unproven sire of sires. For my money, I'd go to a son of Storm Cat before a son of a son of Storm Cat.
Depending on the match I think Dixie Union may be the best value at $40k in Kentucky. Last edited by Thoroughbred Fan : 10-03-2006 at 12:08 PM.
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10-03-2006, 12:51 PM
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10-03-2006, 10:35 AM
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10-03-2006, 10:39 AM
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10-03-2006, 10:46 AM
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And after having a conversation with someone on the team I'd say that any connection to coolmore may get a horse on the blacklist. But you never really know what they are going to do except spend a bunch of money on somebodies horses.
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