first samurai

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Someone help he out with this because I am certainly not the most knowledgable person in the way of breeding.

Do they really think he will sell at 40k? Im sure they know but i cant understand why people would send their mares to FS at that price.

He was talented but had serious soundness issues.

He did not have major soundness issues. He had some minor back end problems and a broken rib, things that can happen to any horse through racing wear. The decision was made to retire him because by the time he was straightened out it would have been too late to get him to any races that mattered this year that it was conceivable he could win. Once it was apparent he couldnt make the King's Bishop, that was the end. Since you appear to have the "inside track" on what his issues were, perhaps you could tell us what those issues were.
He was the first son of the very coveted sire Giants Causeway to win a grade one on dirt, and perhaps the speediest son of Ginats Causeway ever.
His mare is from a family that all were very fast as well, as well as stakes winners.
Its VERY rare to find a precocious and speedy son of Giants Causeway.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by oracle80

He did not have major soundness issues. He had some minor back end problems and a broken rib, things that can happen to any horse through racing wear. The decision was made to retire him because by the time he was straightened out it would have been too late to get him to any races that mattered this year that it was conceivable he could win. Once it was apparent he couldnt make the King's Bishop, that was the end. Since you appear to have the "inside track" on what his issues were, perhaps you could tell us what those issues were.He was the first son of the very coveted sire Giants Causeway to win a grade one on dirt, and perhaps the speediest son of Ginats Causeway ever.
His mare is from a family that all were very fast as well, as well as stakes winners.
Its VERY rare to find a precocious and speedy son of Giants Causeway.

Who said anything about having an "inside track" numb nutz? I was asking a question and you so graciously answered it. Thanks.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Who said anything about having an "inside track" numb nutz? I was asking a question and you so graciously answered it. Thanks.

You didn't ask a question, you made a statement, and an incorrect one at that. I felt the need to admonish it.
Major soundness issues would be attributed to horses who have chronic shins, ankles, knees, etc.
First Sam was a very big and heavy horse when he first started out.
After breaking his maiden at CD in July, he then ran in an allowance race and the Hopeful in about a 20 day span. He then won the Champagne and ran back in the BC only 3 weeks later suffering his first loss. He ran only three times at age 3, but those starts were fairly close together in a time period. He never missed a scheduled start, not one, and his only layoff ever was his last one. The broken rib was obviously a freak thing, and breeders don't worry about horses who had broken ribs, lol.
His last start was with teh broken rib and very often a horse running an entire race with a problem will cause himself damage because hes not running straight and true, he or she is running in a very choppy manner to try and "get away from" or compensate for the pain.
Horses often emerge from these races with a variety of problems, many of them muscular(which was the case here, no fractures or chips) from running in such an awkward manner.
By the time they got a timetable on how long it would take to straighten him out, they realized that it was impossible to have him ready to run in any races of consequence at the end of the year. So they retired him. Contrary to popular belief there wasn't any pressure on the owners to retire him. They did not sell the horse before the Blue Grass, only 25% of the breeding rights. They retained the other 75% to sell at a later date or keep a percentage of as they saw fit. Claiborne was never calling the shots on this horse, the owners were.

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by merasmag

how did he break his rib...of course he would run badly because of it...how did they not know he had a broken rib b4 the race (did he do it in the middle of the night when noone was looking?)...to avoid another immediate post, what is this godolphin boycott i've seen a few references to?

the assumption is that he hit the gate on his way out and broke it at the start.

[Swap Fliparoo]

http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/isd...nday%20silence

sons of S.S. standing in the USA... ignore the $15,000 colorado stallion, they only breed him to about two home mares... seen the ads for the new one coming to Adena - looks promising. Wonder what the fee will be.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Swap Fliparoo

http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/isd...nday%20silence

sons of S.S. standing in the USA... ignore the $15,000 colorado stallion, they only breed him to about two home mares... seen the ads for the new one coming to Adena - looks promising. Wonder what the fee will be.

Yeah, I'm dying to know myself...

It appears that he's working at Santa Anita still. He looks nice!

[Swap Fliparoo]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Yeah, I'm dying to know myself...

It appears that he's working at Santa Anita still. He looks nice!

Still working! I didn't know that. Well, his ad was lovely and generated buzz. Can't wait to go to their open house (Nov? Dec?) and check things out if he's there.

Originally Posted by merasmag

how did he break his rib...of course he would run badly because of it...how did they not know he had a broken rib b4 the race (did he do it in the middle of the night when noone was looking?)...to avoid another immediate post, what is this godolphin boycott i've seen a few references to?

first samurai was fractious in the gate at the bluegrass.

the godolphin boycott....godolphin is tee'd off at coolmore, won't touch their stuff at auction, and outbids them on a regular basis at the sales. why? because they can!