Romero, Azeri, PG, Best Pal make Hall; Vets add 3 inc. Pierce

philcski · #1 06-01-2010, 10:23 AM

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Thankfully that won't be happening.

However, I still remain hopeful that one day the Hall will recognize Dynever.

I'd be willing to make a friendly wager on that one.

If Point Given got in... Smarty Jones is getting in.

randallscott35 · #2 06-01-2010, 10:25 AM

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I'd be willing to make a friendly wager on that one.

If Point Given got in... Smarty Jones is getting in.

There is no love affair with Servais vs. the constant adulation that Baffert gets.

blackthroatedwind · #3 06-01-2010, 10:29 AM

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I'd be willing to make a friendly wager on that one.

If Point Given got in... Smarty Jones is getting in.

I would make a friendly or unfriendly wager. He got zero support this year. The day horses that win two legs of a Triple Crown and never race again make the Hall of Fame is the day all sanity leaves this sport.

10 pnt move up · #4 06-01-2010, 10:31 AM

That would have been a fun race to watch if they could have hooked up....I think Point Given was better but the two styles would have made it a good race.

CSC · #5 06-01-2010, 11:27 AM

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That would have been a fun race to watch if they could have hooked up....I think Point Given was better but the two styles would have made it a good race.

You mean Street Cry, it would have been interesting had he been around for the triple crown, would Point Given had even made the Hall of Fame? Think about it...We know who the better sire is.

parsixfarms · #6 06-01-2010, 11:35 AM

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You mean Street Cry, it would have been interesting had he been around for the triple crown, would Point Given had even made the Hall of Fame? Think about it...We know who the better sire is.

I always liked Street Cry going back to his 2YO season, but how is this relevant to anything? Some of today's top sires were not champions on the track (i.e., Distorted Humor, Smart Strike, Indian Charlie), but outperformed more celebrated race horses in the breeding shed.

CSC · #7 06-01-2010, 11:38 AM

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I always liked Street Cry going back to his 2YO season, but how is this relevant to anything? Some of today's top sires were not champions on the track (i.e., Distorted Humor, Smart Strike, Indian Charlie), but outperformed more celebrated race horses in the breeding shed.

Obcourse it isn't a knockout punch in terms of who is the better horse, however it is a stiff left, more so than a jab. We also know he was a pretty good horse when he was right, somehow from watching him I think he could have gone down as one of the greats if he had a longer and healthier career. It's one of my regrets that we didn't see more of him.

parsixfarms · #8 06-01-2010, 11:57 AM

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Obcourse it isn't a knockout punch in terms of who is the better horse, however it is a stiff left, more so than a jab. We also know he was a pretty good horse when he was right, somehow from watching him I think he could have gone down as one of the greats if he had a longer and healthier career. It's one of my regrets that we didn't see more of him.

It really doesn't count for anything, nor should it. If we are going to engage in the sort of analysis that you suggest, do we lessen the racing accomplishments of horses like Alysheba, Risen Star and Skip Away because they were not standouts in the breeding shed? Are Danzig and Malibu Moon the greatest "what ifs" because they became successful sires?

Indian Charlie · #9 06-01-2010, 10:10 PM

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I always liked Street Cry going back to his 2YO season, but how is this relevant to anything? Some of today's top sires were not champions on the track (i.e., Distorted Humor, Smart Strike, Indian Charlie), but outperformed more celebrated race horses in the breeding shed.

Man.

IC was among the best race horses of the last 20 years.

His success in the shed only goes to show just how gifted a runner he was.

philcski · #10 06-01-2010, 10:40 PM

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Man.

IC was among the best race horses of the last 20 years.

His success in the shed only goes to show just how gifted a runner he was.

He went off favored in the Derby... says a lot right there. Horse was really good. Too bad his career was so short. Interestingly, he's really the only sire success story of that class that I can think of...

10 pnt move up · #11 06-01-2010, 11:58 AM

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You mean Street Cry, it would have been interesting had he been around for the triple crown, would Point Given had even made the Hall of Fame? Think about it...We know who the better sire is.

no Smarty and Point Given

philcski · #12 06-01-2010, 10:45 AM

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I would make a friendly or unfriendly wager. He got zero support this year. The day horses that win two legs of a Triple Crown and never race again make the Hall of Fame is the day all sanity leaves this sport.

He was on the ballot this year? I didn't know that.

However, I don't see how PG's overall record is much better that SJ's.

What do you think of Ghostzapper's chances?

blackthroatedwind · #13 06-01-2010, 10:52 AM

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He was on the ballot this year? I didn't know that.

However, I don't see how PG's overall record is much better that SJ's.

What do you think of Ghostzapper's chances?

He was eligible to be on the ballot this year.

randallscott35 · #14 06-01-2010, 10:54 AM

If only Smarty had taken down Burning Roma in the Haskell by a head, he too would be worthy.

foregos nuts · #15 06-01-2010, 11:03 AM

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He was eligible to be on the ballot this year.

The hall of fame voters probably will consider the fact the Ghostzapper was on steroids, morphine, EPO or any other drugs that the great Bobby Frankel was using at the time.

CSC · #16 06-01-2010, 11:33 AM

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The hall of fame voters probably will consider the fact the Ghostzapper was on steroids, morphine, EPO or any other drugs that the great Bobby Frankel was using at the time.

Is Barry Bonds going to the Hall?

foregos nuts · #17 06-01-2010, 11:39 AM

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Is Barry Bonds going to the Hall?

No but Pelle Lindburgh might make the NASCAR hall of fame

cakes44 · #18 06-01-2010, 03:38 PM

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I would make a friendly or unfriendly wager. He got zero support this year. The day horses that win two legs of a Triple Crown and never race again make the Hall of Fame is the day all sanity leaves this sport.

Yeah, but he brought all this excitement and thousands of new fans to the sport or something. Look at 'em...they are everywhere.

Cannon Shell · #19 06-01-2010, 04:19 PM

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