Discreet Cat earns 115 Beyer Speed Figure

[bogeydaman]

Originally Posted by pgardn

I see you see his pedigree. Clouds the eye.
When I talk Mineshaft I saw a horse that WHEN challenged dug in, held form, did not change lines, head stayed low, he did not start to run upright when he got tired. Nothing changed in the turn of foot. I watch the replay when weighted down against Perfect Drift. Fantastic runner in my eye. The late great LITF covered enormous amounts of ground while staying relatively low. This is the form I covet. Bernardini looks fantastic when running with no exhaustion evident. What does his form look like when he is tired? How does he hold form when stretched to the limit? Does anything change, and if so what? Does his exhausted form still maintain its basic form with a little less turn of foot? Answer this? I cant, I have not seen him tired. NOT CHALLENGED.

And......... after he wins the JCGG and the BCC by open lengths and not challenged (IMO) this will still not be answered. After all there was a post last week how weak the top 10 was for 3yr olds and up. I can hear the excuses now for why Bernadini wins the Classic so easily (Invasor ran but not recovered and / or not that good, everyone knows Lava Man can't run outside the West Coast, None of the Euro's took to the dirt, such and such had a horrible ride, did not take to the CD track, etc, etc, etc.). So, if and when Bernardini runs away from these next 2 fields, does he "get his due" as a great horse or a horse that is running against both a week 3 year old class (which I don't agree with) as well as 3+ class (after beating olders 2x)? Lets face it there is no Ghostzappers, St. Liams, etc out there this year.

Originally Posted by bogeydaman

And......... after he wins the JCGG and the BCC by open lengths and not challenged (IMO) this will still not be answered. After all there was a post last week how weak the top 10 was for 3yr olds and up. I can hear the excuses now for why Bernadini wins the Classic so easily (Invasor ran but not recovered and / or not that good, everyone knows Lava Man can't run outside the West Coast, None of the Euro's took to the dirt, such and such had a horrible ride, did not take to the CD track, etc, etc, etc.). So, if and when Bernardini runs away from these next 2 fields, does he "get his due" as a great horse or a horse that is running against both a week 3 year old class (which I don't agree with) as well as 3+ class (after beating olders 2x)? Lets face it there is no Ghostzappers, St. Liams, etc out there this year.

And this of course is exactly what many people would like to see happen. Unchallenged then off to the shed unblemished.

[bogeydaman]

Originally Posted by pgardn

And this of course is exactly what many people would like to see happen. Unchallenged then off to the shed unblemished.

Not sure who these "people" you are referring to, but they are certainly not the majority of the board / fans. I don't get a chance to read all of the posts on this board, but I surely have not seen any that says I can't wait till xxxx horse retires??? Everything I read is about the desire for these horses to keep running?

Now if you are referring to the owners and those that would want to purchase his offspring then I agree. This horse is probably worth 25X (there are others on the board that would know this number better than me) its value in the shed than racing. Who can blame them? I don't if I was in their shoes (then again money is no object for them).

Originally Posted by bogeydaman

Not sure who these "people" you are referring to, but they are certainly not the majority of the board / fans. I don't get a chance to read all of the posts on this board, but I surely have not seen any that says I can't wait till xxxx horse retires??? Everything I read is about the desire for these horses to keep running?

Now if you are referring to the owners and those that would want to purchase his offspring then I agree. This horse is probably worth 25X (there are others on the board that would know this number better than me) its value in the shed than racing. Who can blame them? I don't if I was in their shoes (then again money is no object for them).

If the horse retires undefeated then one might be able to claim they got to see Colin or Personal Ensign. I like to see horses have to work for some of their victories. Not the horses fault though. I think the BCC will be a suprise for this horse. I get the field, who takes Bernardini in the BCC?

[bogeydaman]

Originally Posted by pgardn

If the horse retires undefeated then one might be able to claim they got to see Colin or Personal Ensign. I like to see horses have to work for some of their victories. Not the horses fault though. I think the BCC will be a suprise for this horse. I get the field, who takes Bernardini in the BCC?

He is not undefeated. He lost his 1st race.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by bogeydaman

He is not undefeated. He lost his 1st race.

Yep, which means that he could lose again.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Yep, which means that he could lose again.

We are all hoping that he doesn't lose this one...This one is much more important.

Originally Posted by bogeydaman

He is not undefeated. He lost his 1st race.

Corrected. Thanks.

Cunningham and I do not see eye to eye on strides. Again. One never knows how a horse will HOLD form when challenged while TIRED.

Example. If we had a car dressed as a horse that challenged Secretariat the whole way in the Belmont I do not think he would have had the same time. Secretariat was running so smoothly, very relaxed, because the horse was not challenged. I take nothing away from that run because the horse was extraordinarily fast. But he would not have run that smoothly, imo, if he had horses surrounding him down the stretch. Very few thoroughbreds maintain the same stride when tired and challenged, very few. So I wish to see him challenged and run with the same stride. Tiznow my arse.