? concerning Bernardini

todko · #1 10-02-2006, 02:09 PM

It's always good to be able to go against a favorite. Barring any unforeseen developments Bernardini will be a heavy favorite. He's a baby of the press. He's run some solid times but no records -- and in every major race his primary competition has been injured -- Barbaro in the Preakness, Sunriver in the Jim Dandy, and Bluegrass Cat in the Travers. He's beaten Grade III/allowance company at best. I'll throw out a tired Brother Derek (who has yet to prove he can still race effectively) and a tired Sweetnorthernsaint (who has yet to prove he can even make it back to the track) in the Preakness.

For me, Bernardini is a solid bet against in the BC Classic.

If he runs, and he should, Perfect Drift would be a good price play. Bernardini has never faced a horse that good and PD just ran a hell of a race in the KY Classic. He's run against the best horses in racing since the '70s (including Bid here) in Ghostzapper, St. Liam, Congaree, Roses in May, Pleasantly Perfect. He'll have JuLep in the irons, he's Dynaformer, he's run well at CD, and he'll get the 10F with or without tough fractions.

I don't know where Bright One stands, but Bright One and Discreet Cat are two 3 year olds who could beat Bernardini. Not to mention the older horses. We'll know more as the field shapes up. It's got to be better than the joke they are calling the Jockey Club Gold Cup. That's not a race -- that's a joke.

boswd · #2 10-02-2006, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by todko

It's always good to be able to go against a favorite. Barring any unforeseen developments Bernardini will be a heavy favorite. He's a baby of the press. He's run some solid times but no records -- and in every major race his primary competition has been injured -- Barbaro in the Preakness, Sunriver in the Jim Dandy, and Bluegrass Cat in the Travers. He's beaten Grade III/allowance company at best. I'll throw out a tired Brother Derek (who has yet to prove he can still race effectively) and a tired Sweetnorthernsaint (who has yet to prove he can even make it back to the track) in the Preakness.

For me, Bernardini is a solid bet against in the BC Classic.

If he runs, and he should, Perfect Drift would be a good price play. Bernardini has never faced a horse that good and PD just ran a hell of a race in the KY Classic. He's run against the best horses in racing since the '70s (including Bid here) in Ghostzapper, St. Liam, Congaree, Roses in May, Pleasantly Perfect. He'll have JuLep in the irons, he's Dynaformer, he's run well at CD, and he'll get the 10F with or without tough fractions.

I don't know where Bright One stands, but Bright One and Discreet Cat are two 3 year olds who could beat Bernardini. Not to mention the older horses. We'll know more as the field shapes up. It's got to be better than the joke they are calling the Jockey Club Gold Cup. That's not a race -- that's a joke.

And I suppose the GoodWood is one spectacular race? Come on. !!!!!

todko · #3 10-02-2006, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by boswd

And I suppose the GoodWood is one spectacular race? Come on. !!!!!

Hey, I never said the Goodwood was much of a race either!

Cajungator26 · #4 10-02-2006, 04:42 PM

Hey, there's nothing wrong with some "good wood."

kentuckyrosesinmay · #5 10-02-2006, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Hey, there's nothing wrong with some "good wood."

RITFLMAO...

The funny thing is that, really, you are quite right...

Only people on this message board would associate the name of a race with sex...

Must think horse racing, must think horse racing, must think horse racing...LMAO.

#6 10-02-2006, 04:52 PM

Well if Bernardini loses the BCC the ladies are gonna have to make sure their man doesn't get too stressed and has to resort to 'juicing' his wood.

Cajungator26 · #7 10-02-2006, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

RITFLMAO...

The funny thing is that, really, you are quite right...

Only people on this message board would associate the name of a race with sex...

Must think horse racing, must think horse racing, must think horse racing...LMAO.

Hey, don't know about you, but it's been... well, never mind how long it's been. My mind is in the gutter. SHOCKER.

kentuckyrosesinmay · #8 10-02-2006, 05:15 PM

We're young...our minds are allowed to be in the gutter every once in awhile

Besides, this message board takes on a very serious tone most of the time because horse players are normally very competitive people. It's nice to lighten the tone of the atmosphere every once in a while. I'd much rather be fun than a sophisticated bore most of the time. (...I hope this stuff doesn't come back to haunt me one day...LOL). Yep, now you've definitely got my mind in the gutter...

Must think Horse racing, Must think horse racing, must think horse, think crop, spurs, latigo tie straps....LOL...I failed

Sightseek · #9 10-02-2006, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by todko

It's always good to be able to go against a favorite. Barring any unforeseen developments Bernardini will be a heavy favorite. He's a baby of the press. He's run some solid times but no records -- and in every major race his primary competition has been injured -- Barbaro in the Preakness, Sunriver in the Jim Dandy, and Bluegrass Cat in the Travers. He's beaten Grade III/allowance company at best. I'll throw out a tired Brother Derek (who has yet to prove he can still race effectively) and a tired Sweetnorthernsaint (who has yet to prove he can even make it back to the track) in the Preakness.

For me, Bernardini is a solid bet against in the BC Classic.

If he runs, and he should, Perfect Drift would be a good price play. Bernardini has never faced a horse that good and PD just ran a hell of a race in the KY Classic. He's run against the best horses in racing since the '70s (including Bid here) in Ghostzapper, St. Liam, Congaree, Roses in May, Pleasantly Perfect. He'll have JuLep in the irons, he's Dynaformer, he's run well at CD, and he'll get the 10F with or without tough fractions.

I don't know where Bright One stands, but Bright One and Discreet Cat are two 3 year olds who could beat Bernardini. Not to mention the older horses. We'll know more as the field shapes up. It's got to be better than the joke they are calling the Jockey Club Gold Cup. That's not a race -- that's a joke.

You knock Bernardini and then say Perfect Drift ran a hell of a race in the KY Classic?!? (which is a much larger of a joke of a race than this year's JCGC, or even last year's awful of an edition for that matter) Unless you think Ball Four is the Ghostzapper of today, then it is very obvious that Perfect Drift is the has been of racing.

Scav · #10 10-02-2006, 03:16 PM

I actually hope he loses this race so there are more question marks come BC Day, stone cold single for me in the Classic and him running a good 3rd or 2nd will be better for my odds then him winning by 3. He might be even money if he wins the JCGC.

randallscott35 · #11 10-02-2006, 03:19 PM

Scavs if he wins on Saturday there is zero chance of him being even money on BCC day. If Fusaichi was 4-5 coming off the Jerome, Berarnd has gotten twice the press and may be as low as 3-5 no matter who shows up.

Scav · #12 10-02-2006, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35

Scavs if he wins on Saturday there is zero chance of him being even money on BCC day. If Fusaichi was 4-5 coming off the Jerome, Berarnd has gotten twice the press and may be as low as 3-5 no matter who shows up.

wishful thinking, which is why I hope he runs 2nd or 3rd this Saturday

Cannon Shell · #13 10-02-2006, 03:20 PM

A point that has not been discussed concerning Bernardini is that he most likely will continue to improve as he grows more mature. Being that he is at the very least as fast as the top older runners, the thought of him improving is really interesting. However we still dont know if those "sporting" men of arabia will let us ever find out how good he can be.

#14 10-02-2006, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

A point that has not been discussed concerning Bernardini is that he most likely will continue to improve as he grows more mature. Being that he is at the very least as fast as the top older runners, the thought of him improving is really interesting. However we still dont know if those "sporting" men of arabia will let us ever find out how good he can be.

Being by A.P. Indy, he should get even better as he ages.

He is like fine wine. I think the Sheikh takes great pride in him; his Darley is the listed breeder. Hopefully, Darley will let us enjoy this special horse next year.

todko · #15 10-02-2006, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek

You knock Bernardini and then say Perfect Drift ran a hell of a race in the KY Classic?!? (which is a much larger of a joke of a race than this year's JCGC, or even last year's awful of an edition for that matter) Unless you think Ball Four is the Ghostzapper of today, then it is very obvious that Perfect Drift is the has been of racing.

Let's face it -- Graded Stakes are not what they used to be (especially Grade I and Grade IIs). It's true on both coasts and everywhere else.

#16 10-02-2006, 04:49 PM

Cash Call is going to have a record day if he loses in the BCC.

LARHAGE · #17 10-02-2006, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by todko

It's always good to be able to go against a favorite. Barring any unforeseen developments Bernardini will be a heavy favorite. He's a baby of the press. He's run some solid times but no records -- and in every major race his primary competition has been injured -- Barbaro in the Preakness, Sunriver in the Jim Dandy, and Bluegrass Cat in the Travers. He's beaten Grade III/allowance company at best. I'll throw out a tired Brother Derek (who has yet to prove he can still race effectively) and a tired Sweetnorthernsaint (who has yet to prove he can even make it back to the track) in the Preakness.

For me, Bernardini is a solid bet against in the BC Classic.

If he runs, and he should, Perfect Drift would be a good price play. Bernardini has never faced a horse that good and PD just ran a hell of a race in the KY Classic. He's run against the best horses in racing since the '70s (including Bid here) in Ghostzapper, St. Liam, Congaree, Roses in May, Pleasantly Perfect. He'll have JuLep in the irons, he's Dynaformer, he's run well at CD, and he'll get the 10F with or without tough fractions.

I don't know where Bright One stands, but Bright One and Discreet Cat are two 3 year olds who could beat Bernardini. Not to mention the older horses. We'll know more as the field shapes up. It's got to be better than the joke they are calling the Jockey Club Gold Cup. That's not a race -- that's a joke.

I don't know, I just believe Bernardini is FAR Superior to his contemporaries, Bright One, Sun River and Bluegrass Cat even healthy and with a head start are not beating him, and PERFECT DRIFT????? You are kidding right? I know it's just everyones own opinions, but I know what I've seen, and it's the goods, his only competition would be Discreet Cat, the other 3 year olds are not even close.