NY - Bel P4 payouts

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by pointman

Do you believe that there was a second shooter?

history kind of shows that no? do you really think it was all oswald?

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by gales0678

history kind of shows that no? do you really think it was all oswald?

As someone who went to the actual site and stood there in the depository a few years ago, and saw how easy a shot it was, there is no question in my mind he acted alone. It was a joke, a perfect angle at a slow speed. Please go to the museum up in Dallas and you will think the same.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by gales0678

history kind of shows that no? do you really think it was all oswald?

That got a laugh out of me. Seriously, though, I am no expert but logic dictates to me that pk4 pools can be out of whack either way as horses are not necessarily bet the same way in a win pool as they are in a multi race pool. Since you cannot see willpays of pk4's, bettors cannot see the board to see over and underlayed combinations to adjust the pool to the right prices.

Also, horses can be used in the pk4 differently than the win pool, some favorites can be heavily used as singles and other horses can be used less in the pk4 than in the win pool. Personally, I just don't think there is any conspiracy here.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by pointman

That got a laugh out of me. Seriously, though, I am no expert but logic dictates to me that pk4 pools can be out of whack either way as horses are not necessarily bet the same way in a win pool as they are in a multi race pool. Since you cannot see willpays of pk4's, bettors cannot see the board to see over and underlayed combinations to adjust the pool to the right prices.

Also, horses can be used in the pk4 differently than the win pool than the pk4 pool, some favorites can be heavily used as singles and other horses can be used less in the pk4 than in the win pool. Personally, I just don't think there is any conspiracy here.

i never said conspiracy , i said "sharp money" , perhaps inside connections, certain barns like to bet and they may have learned that in order to make a good payout on a maiden they have to bury him in the exotics. If they bet him heavy in the win pool the whole world sees it and can adjust

there is nothing illegal or wrong going on , a bettor that has info on a horse can bet anyway they see fit

there were 2 madien winners in the early P4 yesterday that were hard to come up with unless you spread deep in those legs .......someone could have perhaps had one of those maidens singled and then spread deep in the other legs , there's no conspiracy , it's just good betting