Zenyatta v. Rail Trip??

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

Have learned more about this game from reading Beyer's articles and books over the years than from anyone else … but have to admit … found it pretty funny when Z romped in the Classic after he completely dismissed her in the contest … and have found it even funnier watching RA get exposed in her first two starts this season after he lobbied so hard for her to win HotY.


Perhaps he'll have the last laugh this year … still a long way to go … but I've been THOROUGHLY enjoying things so far…

For the 9 millionth time, what she has done this year has no bearing on who won the award last year.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

For the 9 millionth time, what she has done this year has no bearing on who won the award last year.

I agree, the only thing that this year does is make it definitive who is the better race horse.

[slotdirt]

That argument is fine. The argument that Zenyatta's 2009 was superior to the season Rachel Alexandra is also fine. However, Zenyatta backers, i.e. Jay Hovdey, LLC - lose points when they claim foul on the 2009 Eclipse because of 2010 results.

[CSC]

The Eclispe Award for HOY was close, for the upteenth time I for one was okay with last year's decision. As long as the definition is who had the better overall year and not who was/is the better horse. I think this is what SmoothOperator was attempting to articulate.

[slotdirt]

Originally Posted by CSC

The Eclispe Award for HOY was close, for the upteenth time I for one was okay with last year's decision. As long as the definition is who had the better overall year and not who was/is the better horse. I think this is what SmoothOperator was attempting to articulate.

Even you can't seriously believe that is at all what Mr. Operator was trying to articulate.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Even you can't seriously believe that is at all what Mr. Operator was trying to articulate.

I read his post again and a third time and I don't see anything unfactual about it, however I am not really here to discuss another poster.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

I agree, the only thing that this year does is make it definitive who is the better race horse.

I wouldn't be so hard on Zenyatta. She hasn't been that bad this year. It's not too late for her to prove the better of the two. Hopefully she will be given the chance.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I wouldn't be so hard on Zenyatta. She hasn't been that bad this year. It's not too late for her to prove the better of the two. Hopefully she will be given the chance.

UMMMMMMMMMM

Since her CADDY already beat RA this year and RA was in the barn when it came time to meet, most would REASONABLY conclude that Z is PRESENTLY the better of the two. You seem to keep forgetting that. Is DaHoss coaching you?

[Danzig]

zenyatta has two wins, rachel two seconds. the 'caddy' did poorly last out, from what i recall.

what those facts and stats have to do with which would beat the other i don't know. rachel ran/won twice as often last year, i guess she was twice as good as zenyatta because of that??

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Danzig

the 'caddy' did poorly last out, from what i recall.

shipping over the rockies has some downfalls

[Smooth Operator]

Alright, I'll give it a rest (before SB boots my azz out of here).


Just one final question for the RA fans:


Will she actually win a race before we reach the halfway point in the season?????

[slotdirt]

I've always kind of wondered why you were here. Cross "to discuss another poster" off that list.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

I've always kind of wondered why you were here. Cross "to discuss another poster" off that list.

Obviously I enjoy this part the part of the discussion, especially when it comes to Rachel getting out of the Gr.2 ranks this year.

[Smooth Operator]

Danzig … how much does it cost to rent your "space" for a few months?


Would like you to insert the following information:


RA was overrated and overhyped by Andy Beyer and other members of the media in 2009.

If she was this extraordinary superstar filly … as they claimed … she wouldn't have bailed on a $5 million race in April 2010 … and she wouldn't be 0 for 2 so far this season.




Thanks…

[brianwspencer]

It must be really depressing to be a diehard Zenyatta fan to the point where you can't appreciate the mare on her own and every discussion had about the horse you love can only happen by disparaging another horse.

It has to be a really pitiful feeling to know that you can't even love a horse without having to use another one in reference to her all the time.

Stack that on top of all those sour grapes from January and it's got to be a really dark place.

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

It must be really depressing to be a diehard Zenyatta fan to the point where you can't appreciate the mare on her own and every discussion had about the horse you love can only happen by disparaging another horse.

It has to be a really pitiful feeling to know that you can't even love a horse without having to use another one in reference to her all the time.

Stack that on top of all those sour grapes from January and it's got to be a really dark place.

His short bus has limo tint.

[Duvalier]

Who cares?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

It must be really depressing to be a diehard Zenyatta fan to the point where you can't appreciate the mare on her own and every discussion had about the horse you love can only happen by disparaging another horse.

It has to be a really pitiful feeling to know that you can't even love a horse without having to use another one in reference to her all the time.

Stack that on top of all those sour grapes from January and it's got to be a really dark place.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

It must be really depressing to be a diehard Zenyatta fan to the point where you can't appreciate the mare on her own and every discussion had about the horse you love can only happen by disparaging another horse.

It has to be a really pitiful feeling to know that you can't even love a horse without having to use another one in reference to her all the time.

Stack that on top of all those sour grapes from January and it's got to be a really dark place.

Brian, Considering all the posts we could dig up last year after the Woodward including some that I am sure belong to you, I think Zenyatta fans are behaving quite admirally this year.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by CSC

I think Zenyatta fans are behaving quite admirally this year.

Maybe it's more corporally?

NT