Discreet Cat's BC Plans Announced

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Man, stop with that nonsense. It's about being smart with the horse. It's just plain dumb to go from facing Rumspringa at seven furlongs and Valid Notebook at a one-turn mile to facing the best horses in the world at six furlongs or ten. Period.

That's how you ruin a horse.

If they ducked the Cigar Mile, then I'd be on your side. But skipping the BC is just logical and levelheaded.

U are right. It does make sense to skip the BC and go on and challenge the reigning BC Sprint champion Silver Train in his next start. That matchup with Silver Train would be a much easier race to win. He wouldn't have to use much effort at all. I mean, since it's inception, 16 of the 17 runnings of the Cigar have been sub-1:35, including seven that were sub-1:34. That's not taxing at all. I'm sure the effort needed by him to beat Silver Train (four of his last six Beyer's have been 110+, his last two miles have been 110 and 112) would be much less than what would be needed to step up to win the BC Mile.

Newsflash. His next race is going to be a much harder one than what he's been facing. Doesn't matter if it's the BC Mile or the Cigar Mile. The BC Mile would just be more horses to beat but the effort needed is going to be nearly the same either way. He's more than likely going to have to run a 1:33 and change race in either spot.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Newsflash. His next race is going to be a much harder one than what he's been facing. Doesn't matter if it's the BC Mile or the Cigar Mile. The BC Mile would just be more horses to beat but the effort needed is going to be nearly the same either way. He's more than likely going to have to run a 1:33 and change race in either spot.

Well King, I'm glad to see you have returned this thread to the ridiculous by comparing the times of dirt and turf races as though there is some relevence.

Keep up the good, or should I say ridiculous, work.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

U are right. It does make sense to skip the BC and go on and challenge the reigning BC Sprint champion Silver Train in his next start. That matchup with Silver Train would be a much easier race to win. He wouldn't have to use much effort at all. I mean, since it's inception, 16 of the 17 runnings of the Cigar have been sub-1:35, including seven that were sub-1:34. That's not taxing at all. I'm sure the effort needed by him to beat Silver Train (four of his last six Beyer's have been 110+, his last two miles have been 110 and 112) would be much less than what would be needed to step up to win the BC Mile.

Newsflash. His next race is going to be a much harder one than what he's been facing. Doesn't matter if it's the BC Mile or the Cigar Mile. The BC Mile would just be more horses to beat but the effort needed is going to be nearly the same either way. He's more than likely going to have to run a 1:33 and change race in either spot.

Wow, you're so spot on. Going against Silver Train at a mile off an eight-week break IS the same as facing Henny Hughes, Commentator, War Front, Pomeroy, Siren Lure and Too Much Bling at six furlongs off five weeks! It's also the same as going against Bernardini, Invasor, Lava Man and Sun King at ten furlongs off five weeks! Thanks for pointing that out!

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Wow, you're so spot on. Going against Silver Train at a mile off an eight-week break IS the same as facing Henny Hughes, Commentator, War Front, Pomeroy, Siren Lure and Too Much Bling at six furlongs off five weeks! It's also the same as going against Bernardini, Invasor, Lava Man and Sun King at ten furlongs off five weeks! Thanks for pointing that out!

First, I've never said he should run in the Sprint. I've said that I DO NOT THINK he is fast enough to win the Sprint. So that shouldn't even be a part of this conversation.

Second, look at the four horses u mentioned for the Classic. Sun King has never won a grade one race either and never won at 10f so he's in the same boat at Discreet Cat. Lava Man is still completely unproven outside of California. Even his trainer has voiced some concern over how we'll he'll do. He's already BEATEN Invasor and that horse will be coming in off of a 13-week layoff. The only one that should be a real concern is Bernardini.

I said the Mile or the Classic, preferrably the Mile. I didn't say the Sprint.

[ateamstupid]

Sorry.

Facing Silver Train off eight weeks at a mile on dirt is the same as facing George Washington, Araafa, Aragorn, Ashkal Way, Gorella, Showing Up, and Librettist off five weeks on a surface he's never tried before.

Thanks for correcting me. The Mile would be much easier than the Sprint.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Sorry.

Facing Silver Train off eight weeks at a mile on dirt is the same as facing George Washington, Araafa, Aragorn, Ashkal Way, Gorella, Showing Up, and Librettist off five weeks on a surface he's never tried before.

Thanks for correcting me. The Mile would be much easier than the Sprint.

George Washington, Araafa, Aragorn, and Showing Up. All really good horses. No hall of famers in the bunch that would scare me off though. Gorella is still looking at the F/M Turf so she might not be there. Ashkal Way has been all out to beat lesser in his last couple and Librettist came out of his last work lame. Also, Ashkal Way and Librettist are both Godolphin horses so they likely wouldn't be there if Discreet Cat was.

Either way, the depth of the fields faced is not even important. He'd have to run hard to beat Aragorn in the Mile. Or to beat Araafa. Or George Washington. Just like he'd have to run hard to beat Silver Train. In fact, he might even have to run HARDER to beat Silver Train than he would have had to run in the Mile.

[ateamstupid]

He'd have to beat all of them. Usually beating five or six very good horses is a wee bit tougher than beating one, especially considering five weeks to eight, turf to dirt..

Man, what's the use..