La Troienne discussion

[CSC]

I admire loyalty, but guys & gals it's time to face the truth, she is done. She might win a race or 2 the remainder of the year but I would be very surprised if Asmussen can bring her all the back to the heights of the Haskell again or even the Woodward for that matter.

It's just not that easy to keep a horse in top form year in, year out. I would hope people will begin to appreciate Zenyatta a little more after seeing how Rachel has raced thus far this year. She's done it and continues to produce without any excuses.

[Revidere]

The question is, if Super Saver continues to improve who will Calvin ride????

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Revidere

The question is, if Super Saver continues to improve who will Calvin ride????

I imagine Asmussen would be relieved to have Borel make that decision for him.

[ArlJim78]

he's not getting it done with Rachel for whatever reason, so there is no need to keep him there, and Pletcher can go to his regular riders on Super Saver and not miss a beat. I guess I'm saying maybe we don't see Borel riding either horse anymore.

[Smooth Operator]

Forget about this RA filly … Z is WAY beyond that now.


Time to start comparing her to horses like, say, Citation and Cigar



17 – 0


Legend

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

Forget about this RA filly … Z is WAY beyond that now.


Time to start comparing her to horses like, say, Citation and Cigar



17 – 0


Legend

this is really starting to go too far.

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by Danzig

this is really starting to go too far.

Never too far, it's all entertainment.


I do have to side with the Mare thats 17 and 0. You can hate Zenyatta all you want, but the girl has found a way to win all her races coming from behind and that's hard to do.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

he's not getting it done with Rachel for whatever reason, so there is no need to keep him there, and Pletcher can go to his regular riders on Super Saver and not miss a beat. I guess I'm saying maybe we don't see Borel riding either horse anymore.

You really think Pletcher is going to take Borel off of Super Saver at some point? The guy just put an absolutely perfect ride on the horse not in a N1X, in the Kentucky Derby. It's one thing for Borel to opt to ride a different horse but the chances of TAP taking him off Super Saver are virtually non-existent in my opinion.

NT

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

You really think Pletcher is going to take Borel off of Super Saver at some point? The guy just put an absolutely perfect ride on the horse not in a N1X, in the Kentucky Derby. It's one thing for Borel to opt to ride a different horse but the chances of TAP taking him off Super Saver are virtually non-existent in my opinion.

NT

he does put on a good ride in the derby, I would put Borel on any horse in the derby if I had the chance, because he has an uncanny knack of putting the horse in the right position.

Look, Pletcher won't change the rider at this point, I'm just saying that outside of CD, I don't see the same kind of advantage to using Borel.
In fact I think he was instrumental in losing the Preakness on Street Sense, he has said as much.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

he does put on a good ride in the derby, I would put Borel on any horse in the derby if I had the chance, because he has an uncanny knack of putting the horse in the right position.

Look, Pletcher won't change the rider at this point, I'm just saying that outside of CD, I don't see the same kind of advantage to using Borel.
In fact I think he was instrumental in losing the Preakness on Street Sense, he has said as much.

He was also quite detrimental for Mine That Bird in the Belmont last year but the point I was making is that Borel is going to be given plenty of leeway by the Pletcher barn.

Borel had ridden sparingly for Pletcher in the past but gave Ready's Echo a pretty nice ride in both the Forego and BC "Dirt" Mile, so the barn has seemingly had positive experiences using him over the last six or eight months.

NT