David Junior

King Glorious · #1 09-30-2006, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

I agree, although they will probably try David Junior anyway. I think that Bernardini really has Invasor's camp worried, and Invasor is not a lightweight...

You know, I would love to see a Discreet Cat and Bernardini race each other one day...

If Bernardini goes in the Classic, I doubt Discreet Cat will. I hope that they throw Discreet Cat in the sprint, or either wait and race him in the Clark or the Cigar...

I think Discreet Cat is the best horse in the country, if not the world. But I don't think he's fast enough for the Sprint. I'd love to see him in the Mile. I think he'd take that race easily.

kentuckyrosesinmay · #2 09-30-2006, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

I think Discreet Cat is the best horse in the country, if not the world. But I don't think he's fast enough for the Sprint. I'd love to see him in the Mile. I think he'd take that race easily.

You and me both...Discreet Cat is unbelievable. Yeah, the allowance he won was at seven furlongs, but the jock didn't even use him at all. With his running style, I think he could sit off the leaders in the sprint, and blow by them in the final sixteenth of the race. The horse is freaking fast. You may be very right though. I would really like to see him in the Cigar Mile and see him in the Met Mile next year. From there, it is on to an eventual Classic win after winning all of the major summer and early fall GIs, and then HOY...

I don't know how he would race on the grass...I'm still very new at the breeding aspect of this game...

King Glorious · #3 09-30-2006, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

You and me both...Discreet Cat is unbelievable. Yeah, the allowance he won was at seven furlongs, but the jock didn't even use him at all. With his running style, I think he could sit off the leaders in the sprint, and blow by them in the final sixteenth of the race. The horse is freaking fast. You may be very right though. I would really like to see him in the Cigar Mile and see him in the Met Mile next year. From there, it is on to an eventual Classic win after winning all of the major summer and early fall GIs, and then HOY...

I don't know how he would race on the grass...I'm still very new at the breeding aspect of this game...

Breeding means NOTHING. He's a class horse so running on another surface isn't an issue. People make too much of an issue with all of this breeding stupidity. I think u go by class level and the horse's best distance in deciding a spot for him. Not the surface.

kentuckyrosesinmay · #4 09-30-2006, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

Breeding means NOTHING. He's a class horse so running on another surface isn't an issue. People make too much of an issue with all of this breeding stupidity. I think u go by class level and the horse's best distance in deciding a spot for him. Not the surface.

The Mile is on the grass and I don't know if he could run on the grass or not. An individual's genes, breeding, and inheritance should play a role when deciding whether or not to bet a horse that is switching to a new surface for the first time. Take Lawyer Ron for example. He couldn't run very well on turf, and when he switched to dirt, he all of a sudden won six races in a row...Grade II and III stakes races at that. Lawyer Ron is a quality dirt horse, but not a quality turf horse. Discreet Cat could very well be the same way. In fact, with his running style, I really don't think that he would be suited to the turf. I could be wrong though. It wouldn't be the first time nor will it be the last...

King Glorious · #5 09-30-2006, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

The Mile is on the grass and I don't know if he could run on the grass or not. An individual's genes, breeding, and inheritance should play a role when deciding whether or not to bet a horse that is switching to a new surface for the first time. Take Lawyer Ron for example. He couldn't run very well on turf, and when he switched to dirt, he all of a sudden won six races in a row...Grade II and III stakes races at that. Lawyer Ron is a quality dirt horse, but not a quality turf horse. Discreet Cat could very well be the same way. In fact, with his running style, I really don't think that he would be suited to the turf. I could be wrong though. It wouldn't be the first time nor will it be the last...

It's my opinion that the better the horse, the fewer things they need to go their way in order to perform their best. The lesser the horse, the more they need. Lawyer Ron is a good horse. But he's not a great horse. Discreet Cat is potentially a great horse. He can run on any surface. Now whether or not u would want to bet on such a horse in that situation is different. I can understand not betting on him to do something that he has never done while facing the best in the world at the low price that he'll be. But he'd be my selection.

blackthroatedwind · #6 10-01-2006, 12:03 AM

What is this " he can run on any surface " nonsense? Based on what? His breeding? You're being silly. The likelihood that Discreet Cat can transfer his dirt ability to the turf is very small.

I realize your unfounded BC predictions for him are an internet free roll. There is no indication whatsoever that he will run in any BC race and it is certainly not like Godolphin to deviate from their well mapped out plans to simply take a shot.

The reason Discreet Cat missed races earlier this summer is because he is basically a laimo. They never intended on running in the Dwyer, regardless of what was printed, and that was due to his sore going nature. In fact, it was just that situation that allowed him to pay 5-1 in his debut. It was widely know that he was very talented but just as widely known that he had serious soreness issues. This is specifically why he is lightly raced.

The Bid · #7 10-01-2006, 09:30 PM

I wouldnt mind having a sore animal like Discrete Cat as a knock around horse.

dalakhani · #8 10-01-2006, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

What is this " he can run on any surface " nonsense? Based on what? His breeding? You're being silly. The likelihood that Discreet Cat can transfer his dirt ability to the turf is very small.

I realize your unfounded BC predictions for him are an internet free roll. There is no indication whatsoever that he will run in any BC race and it is certainly not like Godolphin to deviate from their well mapped out plans to simply take a shot.

The reason Discreet Cat missed races earlier this summer is because he is basically a laimo. They never intended on running in the Dwyer, regardless of what was printed, and that was due to his sore going nature. In fact, it was just that situation that allowed him to pay 5-1 in his debut. It was widely know that he was very talented but just as widely known that he had serious soreness issues. This is specifically why he is lightly raced.

Why would you think the likelihood of Discreet Cat transferring his dirt ability to the turf would be small?

A horse as talented as this one can run on anything. Of course there is a chance that he might not like the turf but i think the chances of him being successful on it are more than just "small".

Horses going dirt to turf are more likely to be successful than the other way around.