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09-30-2006, 08:42 PM
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10-01-2006, 01:58 AM
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 . You must really kill your friends with that sterling wit at your dungeons and dragons meetings. I don't rate the Tin Man at all btw, but for someone who claims not to care about horses .....this one has really got under your skin. Embrace that passion and turn it into something positive. 
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10-02-2006, 12:58 AM
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f*ck you and your advice to be positive. I dont care about the well being of horses, or of humans for that matter, but it does not mean that I dont like/hate horses. however, I dont hate the tin man for any other reason besides the fact that he is slow. Repent
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10-02-2006, 03:25 AM
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I don't like him because he's old....  You don't care about horses/peoples well being , but you still reserve the right to love/hate them? Is that some sort of Neo-nihilisim? Sounds like a lot of work for not caring.
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10-01-2006, 07:51 AM
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I dug up my PPs for the 2003 Breeders Cup and had a look at The Tin Man's only win at 12f. It was the San Luis Obispo H at Santa Anita in February, on yielding ground against an undistinguished field. He put up fractions of 51, 1:15:3 , 2:05:4, and 2:31:1, was ridden out, in hand late. The previous fall at Arlington for the BC Turf on yielding ground, he put up similar fractions of :51:1, 1:17, 2:05:4, but was passed late by High Chaparral and two others to be fourth in 2:30. On firm at Hollywood in May 03, he set the pace in :49:1, 1:13:1, 1:59:4, then stopped to a walk to finish beaten 14 lengths.
I love The Tin Man for his tenacity and consistency, however 12f is beyond his scope against top horses. If the BC Turf were 10f, he'd be a top contender, but it isn't, so I will be opposing him if he starts.
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10-01-2006, 08:56 AM
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You guys are all insane. This was clearly a prep for the BC. To say if that, if this versus this horse or that horse is really reaching for something just to knock this horse. He did what he had to do to win and maybe it wasnt his best day. Who cares. If he ran 22 and 45 and spurted away by 10 you guys would still find faults with him and talk about EC and Cacique. Its getting very old. Got news for you- they arent exactly the modern day versions of Lure or Theatrical either! They need things to go there way or they lose!
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10-01-2006, 11:14 AM
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i agree gander...he won the battle, but kept enough in the tank that he will do better in the war. he didn't need to win, only had to show that he was still firing on all cylinders. why win by open lengths??? ah, had he won going away we'd be hearing criticism of the jock....'what'd he do that for? shoulda left something in the tank!'
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Books serve to show a man that those original thoughts of his aren't very new at all. Abraham Lincoln
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10-01-2006, 12:31 PM
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I think the Europeans are tough to beat come Breeder's Cup Day, but I sure liked watching the old man show up the young whippersnappers.  Speaking of the Europeans, I thought ESPN did a pretty decent job trying to highlight some of them in a very short amount of time as they lead up to the Breeder's Cup.
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10-02-2006, 01:02 AM
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but there is a real class issue that exists as well. 12f, 10f, 8f, whatever..........he is not going to beat the type of turf horses we saw today in the Arc. he simply has never measured up to those types of turf horses. Repent
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