Mullins and O'Neill Suspended

[Honu]

Originally Posted by Stall Mucker

not supprised about Mullins. O'Neill is another story. Stuff happens.

Lol thats really funny , O'Neill is jus as sneaky , snakey as the next guy who tries to beat the system where have you been?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Honu

Lol thats really funny , O'Neill is jus as sneaky , snakey as the next guy who tries to beat the system where have you been?

He's a fan of claiming off your barn, and alkalizing. Remember the one that he won THE 2009 Phoenix Gold Cup with at Turf P? Peace Chant? Told you guys that I think he alkalized that horse that day. O'NEIL OWNED HIM BY HIMSELF. He didn't race for 7 months after that, and then showed up with W Phipps training him. He had a new owner. They couldn't get him to perform that way. Now, I see Oneil has him again, and he ran 5th or 6th down the hill in March. How much do you think O'NEIL made off all this? He can afford the fine. This is at least the 3rd time he's been caught alkalizing. How many times has he claimed off your barn in the last 14-15 months? You're like one of his favorite clean barns to claim off of.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by docicu3

I really was ASKING not assuming anything. Probably should have just said what do the vets think the normal range is for a noncompeting horse.

In humans this is tied into kidney compensation and I have no knowledge as to whether a horse has kidney compensation for high and low bicarbs or alkalemic Ph's like people do but there are vets here that will know

I am a vet, and the normal range for a noncompeting average horse has been well-established by most laboratories as 23-33 mmol/L variable by breed and fitness condition. We can't use values for non-competing, non-fit pasture horses when testing TB horses post-race. The values for racehorses (northern and southern hemisphere, STB vs TB) at rest and post-exercise have been established by specifically testing these athletes. Certainly in metabolic illness TCO2 can go up and down markedly dependent upon the acid-base status, and yes, the kidneys help compensate. As do the other usual mechanisms that maintain overall acid-base balance in any mammal.