4/30-5/1 (BEL): Westchester; Beaugay; Fort Marcy (G3's)

[Betsy]

Ok, glad to see Ironman Jon back in action, though I would have preferred to see him in NY-bred stakes first

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Betsy

Ok, glad to see Ironman Jon back in action, though I would have preferred to see him in NY-bred stakes first

There's not an older horse NY bred stake and Belmont did away with overnight stakes. He's where he belongs.

NT

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

There's not an older horse NY bred stake and Belmont did away with overnight stakes. He's where he belongs.

Wouldn't have an open NW1X been a better spot, considering what he's faced in his two starts? The last couple of years Schwartz/Hushion have tried this type of entry a few times with talented maiden/allowance winners (by way of example, Sammarco comes to mind), but with the exception of Stalingrad, they never seem to work out.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Wouldn't have an open NW1X been a better spot, considering what he's faced in his two starts? The last couple of years Schwartz/Hushion have tried this type of entry a few times with talented maiden/allowance winners (by way of example, Sammarco comes to mind), but with the exception of Stalingrad, they never seem to work out.

What would Bobby Frankel's career have looked like if he didn't try horses out in races that were a bit above them class-wise when they're ready?

I will say that if Ironman Jon missed the Excelsior because of an injury then yes, this is an overly ambitious spot. However, if he's ready, I don't blame them for trying. That being said, I think he's up against it and will be surprised if Bribon doesn't win.

NT

[VOL JACK]

I wonder how much Derrick Smith forked over to the ultra rich Marc Keller for a 7yo Gelding?

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I will say that if Ironman Jon missed the Excelsior because of an injury then yes, this is an overly ambitious spot. However, if he's ready, I don't blame them for trying. That being said, I think he's up against it and will be surprised if Bribon doesn't win.

This horse didn't make his debut until he was 4YO, so it's probably safe to say that he's had to deal with some issues. Under these circumstances, rushing him into a stakes race featuring the defending Met Mile winner and some other talented horses, off wins against two weak NY-bred fields, doesn't make a lot of sense.

Last year, people (not me) thought that Driven By Success was pushed unnecessarily into races like the Carter and Met Mile. Given where he is today, maybe they were right, and he had shown more than Ironman Jon before he made his first stakes start.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

This horse didn't make his debut until he was 4YO, so it's probably safe to say that he's had to deal with some issues. Under these circumstances, rushing him into a stakes race featuring the defending Met Mile winner and some other talented horses, off wins against two weak NY-bred fields, doesn't make a lot of sense.

Last year, people (not me) thought that Driven By Success was pushed unnecessarily into races like the Carter and Met Mile. Given where he is today, maybe they were right, and he had shown more than Ironman Jon before he made his first stakes start.

Unlike Ironman Jon, DBS had distance issues, which was part of the reason why the Carter and Met made little sense for him. I also don't agree that this field is anything special beyond Bribon.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Betsy

Ok, glad to see Ironman Jon back in action, though I would have preferred to see him in NY-bred stakes first

Do you ever not think a horse's placement is too ambitious?

[the_fat_man]

Sadler training him now?

[the_fat_man]

Ironman Jon. I mean, the horse just did beat Justin P, and definitely has shown it can outrun a poodle on a fair track, by winning on the AQU Inner. And, since he's getting all this mention, I figure it has to be because Sadler is now training him.