WAIT A WHILE IS NASTY Good

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

That's 5 lengths faster.

I think it's more like 3 lengths. Each 1/5th of a second is about a length.

I'm a big fan of The Tin Man but I was not impressed with his race today at all. He didn't look like himself. Even when they passed the stands the first time, he wasn't travelling nearly as smoothly as he did in the Million. He's probably getting a little tired. It's been a long year for him. He went to Dubai and back and he also travelled to Chicago and back. And he is 8 years old.

I admire the horse's guts. He didn't have his "A" game and he still won. But off that race today, I don't give him much shot in the BC Turf.

[randallscott35]

Yes, rich, the message was edited, I thought it was a full second difference.

[DiscreetCat=Monster]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I think it's more like 3 lengths. Each 1/5th of a second is about a length.

I'm a big fan of The Tin Man but I was not impressed with his race today at all. He didn't look like himself. Even when they passed the stands the first time, he wasn't travelling nearly as smoothly as he did in the Million. He's probably getting a little tired. It's been a long year for him. He went to Dubai and back and he also travelled to Chicago and back. And he is 8 years old.

I admire the horse's guts. He didn't have his "A" game and he still won. But off that race today, I don't give him much shot in the BC Turf.

Yes but the point is, The Tin Man was all out and Wait a While was trotting home

[Honu]

Originally Posted by LOSE=GLUE

Yes but the point is, The Tin Man was all out and Wait a While was trotting home

Lets run The Tin Man aganst a filly.

[repent]

Originally Posted by Honu

Lets run The Tin Man aganst a filly.

he would fit better with a donkey.


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[goingtothewhip]

Originally Posted by repent

he would fit better with a donkey.


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Slow Man... he would fit better with a donkey? LOL! Oh man....vintage material .

You must really kill your friends with that sterling wit at your dungeons and dragons meetings.
I don't rate the Tin Man at all btw, but for someone who claims not to care about horses .....this one has really got under your skin. Embrace that passion and turn it into something positive.

[repent]

Originally Posted by goingtothewhip

Slow Man... he would fit better with a donkey? LOL! Oh man....vintage material .

You must really kill your friends with that sterling wit at your dungeons and dragons meetings.
I don't rate the Tin Man at all btw, but for someone who claims not to care about horses .....this one has really got under your skin. Embrace that passion and turn it into something positive.

f*ck you and your advice to be positive.

I dont care about the well being of horses, or of humans for that matter, but it does not mean that I dont like/hate horses.

however, I dont hate the tin man for any other reason besides the fact that he is slow.


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[goingtothewhip]

Originally Posted by repent

f*ck you and your advice to be positive.

I dont care about the well being of horses, or of humans for that matter, but it does not mean that I dont like/hate horses.

however, I dont hate the tin man for any other reason besides the fact that he is slow.


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Go f*ck yourself (to quote our mongoloid Vice Pres).

I don't like him because he's old....

You don't care about horses/peoples well being , but you still reserve the right to love/hate them? Is that some sort of Neo-nihilisim? Sounds like a lot of work for not caring.

[Pedigree Ann]

I dug up my PPs for the 2003 Breeders Cup and had a look at The Tin Man's only win at 12f. It was the San Luis Obispo H at Santa Anita in February, on yielding ground against an undistinguished field. He put up fractions of 51, 1:15:3 , 2:05:4, and 2:31:1, was ridden out, in hand late. The previous fall at Arlington for the BC Turf on yielding ground, he put up similar fractions of :51:1, 1:17, 2:05:4, but was passed late by High Chaparral and two others to be fourth in 2:30. On firm at Hollywood in May 03, he set the pace in :49:1, 1:13:1, 1:59:4, then stopped to a walk to finish beaten 14 lengths.

I love The Tin Man for his tenacity and consistency, however 12f is beyond his scope against top horses. If the BC Turf were 10f, he'd be a top contender, but it isn't, so I will be opposing him if he starts.

[Gander]

You guys are all insane. This was clearly a prep for the BC. To say if that, if this versus this horse or that horse is really reaching for something just to knock this horse. He did what he had to do to win and maybe it wasnt his best day. Who cares. If he ran 22 and 45 and spurted away by 10 you guys would still find faults with him and talk about EC and Cacique. Its getting very old. Got news for you- they arent exactly the modern day versions of Lure or Theatrical either! They need things to go there way or they lose!

[repent]

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

I dug up my PPs for the 2003 Breeders Cup and had a look at The Tin Man's only win at 12f. It was the San Luis Obispo H at Santa Anita in February, on yielding ground against an undistinguished field. He put up fractions of 51, 1:15:3 , 2:05:4, and 2:31:1, was ridden out, in hand late. The previous fall at Arlington for the BC Turf on yielding ground, he put up similar fractions of :51:1, 1:17, 2:05:4, but was passed late by High Chaparral and two others to be fourth in 2:30. On firm at Hollywood in May 03, he set the pace in :49:1, 1:13:1, 1:59:4, then stopped to a walk to finish beaten 14 lengths.

I love The Tin Man for his tenacity and consistency, however 12f is beyond his scope against top horses. If the BC Turf were 10f, he'd be a top contender, but it isn't, so I will be opposing him if he starts.

you bring up good points(and evidence) on the distance issue,
but there is a real class issue that exists as well.

12f, 10f, 8f, whatever..........he is not going to beat the type of turf horses we saw today in the Arc.
he simply has never measured up to those types of turf horses.


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[ateamstupid]

I don't think this race changes anything. His only shot in the BCT was to set a crawl and hope to outsprint the Euros, and that continues to be his only shot. Although I think it's gonna be mighty hard to go from nosing out T.H. Approval to beating some of the world's best grass horses.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I don't think this race changes anything. His only shot in the BCT was to set a crawl and hope to outsprint the Euros, and that continues to be his only shot. Although I think it's gonna be mighty hard to go from nosing out T.H. Approval to beating some of the world's best grass horses.

Agree Ateam.
I haven't looked at the splits for the early parts of either race.
tin Man had a "crawl". Too bad nobody pushed him.
The times before the 3/4 pole will tell the story.

[mclem10011]

Tin Man had to work for it, was very game. Wait a While just crushed en, it was a terrific performance.

[Nostradamus]

And Showing Up was a second faster than the Tin Man in the Arlington Million, when the Tin Man beat Cacique. Cacique then beat Showing Up. Times mean nothing in turf racing.

Wait a While is not in the league with the Oujia Board, Alexandrova or Gorella.

There is no American turf horse that can compete with the top Europeans. Not one.

[DiscreetCat=Monster]

Originally Posted by Nostradamus

And Showing Up was a second faster than the Tin Man in the Arlington Million, when the Tin Man beat Cacique. Cacique then beat Showing Up. Times mean nothing in turf racing.

Wait a While is not in the league with the Oujia Board, Alexandrova or Gorella.

There is no American turf horse that can compete with the top Europeans. Not one.

I didn't either till today, have you ever heard the fraise "A Chihuahua could whip a Pit Bull in his own enviroment?"

[Nostradamus]

Originally Posted by LOSE=GLUE

I didn't either till today, have you ever heard the fraise "A Chihuahua could whip a Pit Bull in his own enviroment?"

She is going to be racing against horses that have beaten Hurricane Run. A horse like Pride is in the Arc tomorrow and a horse like Oujia Board can beat any horse in the world on the turf. Wait a While is similar to Showing Up. They both have beaten nobody when you are looking big picture.

Originally Posted by Nostradamus

She is going to be racing against horses that have beaten Hurricane Run. A horse like Pride is in the Arc tomorrow and a horse like Oujia Board can beat any horse in the world on the turf. Wait a While is similar to Showing Up. They both have beaten nobody when you are looking big picture.

You seem very young. You know, the age that knows EVERYTHNG

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Happy T

You seem very young. You know, the age that knows EVERYTHNG

LOL, Happy I just posted that in the other thread. Couldn't agree more.

[Swap Fliparoo]

Originally Posted by Nostradamus

And Showing Up was a second faster than the Tin Man in the Arlington Million, when the Tin Man beat Cacique. Cacique then beat Showing Up. Times mean nothing in turf racing.

Beat me to it............ and then some!