Just in case they're anyone left who doesn't think that E PRADO is DONE

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

But he surely didn't lose aboard Sounds Familiar from not caring. I can understand your frustration if you needed the horse but I thought the outcome had more to do with a bit of bad luck in mid-stretch not being able to get through than Prado really doing anything wrong.

NT

Look. It's not about whether Prado did something wrong in this race or whether he's on a brief hot streak. What it's about is that Prado is NOT riding the way he once did. And he hasn't ridden well for a while now. He's lost his nerve and his handle. Clearly, you have the race watching skills to be able to see this. I don't trust him on a horse, and this is saying a lot, as I bet pretty much anybody.

He was once a (relatively) premier jock. Anyone who thinks he's the same jock presently is welcome to contribute even more to the pools.

This is elementary ****. There are people here that really want to debate this issue or that think that Ramon is overrated. How the **** are these people betting? Are they medicated? This is childlike in terms of seeing/understanding. It's a ****in' comedy here with these opinions.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Look. It's not about whether Prado did something wrong in this race or whether he's on a brief hot streak. What it's about is that Prado is NOT riding the way he once did. And he hasn't ridden well for a while now. He's lost his nerve and his handle. Clearly, you have the race watching skills to be able to see this. I don't trust him on a horse, and this is saying a lot, as I bet pretty much anybody.

He was once a (relatively) premier jock. Anyone who thinks he's the same jock presently is welcome to contribute even more to the pools.

This is elementary ****. There are people here that really want to debate this issue or that think that Ramon is overrated. How the **** are these people betting? Are they medicated? This is childlike in terms of seeing/understanding. It's a ****in' comedy here with these opinions.

Oh I couldn't agree more, I certainly watch more than enough NY races to know that whomever speaks negatively about Ramon Dominguez pays little attention to what he does day in and day out.

Prado has been deteriorating for years, I'm acutely aware of that. Old Edgar would have had the instincts to get the horse that lost the 6th by a lip into the hole that looked like it was there faster. I mostly brought up the thread where he was asked to retire mostly to prod the thread starter.

NT

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I brought up the thread where he was asked to retire mostly to prod the thread starter.

NT

I'm 'trying' to play 7 tracks concurrently; with no advance preparation. You don't need to prod me, my head is already spinning. I'm done.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

I'm 'trying' to play 7 tracks concurrently; with no advance preparation. You don't need to prod me, my head is already spinning. I'm done.

No, no, I meant the other Prado thread started by the one and only RHT1985. I posted in here only in reply to Ateam's thoughts on his ride in the 6th.

NT

[the_fat_man]

I think today's ride in the Withers might've cooked Edgar for good with the Dutrows.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

I think today's ride in the Withers might've cooked Edgar for good with the Dutrows.

That was a truly terrible ride. The posted fractions were wrong but the pace was still hot, no need to try to rush up and try to fit through a small space when you're on the best horse.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by philcski

That was a truly terrible ride. The posted fractions were wrong but the pace was still hot, no need to try to rush up and try to fit through a small space when you're on the best horse.

Watch the headon of the race. It appears that Chavez, probably by intent, comes over aggressively to get the rail, forcing Prado towards the open rail and almost into the closed portion. I don't get what Prado is thinking. He almost went into the start/corner of the rail and could've easy had his horse bolt through the open rail area. All this because he absolutely MUST get into a duel. I don't get it with him. And after he's stopped, you'd think the idiot would just rate. Did he ever consider who he was chasing?

And I certainly don't get what Johnny V was doing. He turned what was a gift perfect trip into a premature move that cost him the win. Why must he go after the duelers on the turn -- and be widest doing it? All he has to do is wait until they enter. He could've gotten them at any point in the stretch. The only way he loses the race is by moving too soon and completely collapsing the race.

Only way any of this **** makes sense is to just assume they're all retards.

[eajinabi]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Look. It's not about whether Prado did something wrong in this race or whether he's on a brief hot streak. What it's about is that Prado is NOT riding the way he once did. And he hasn't ridden well for a while now. He's lost his nerve and his handle. Clearly, you have the race watching skills to be able to see this. I don't trust him on a horse, and this is saying a lot, as I bet pretty much anybody.

He was once a (relatively) premier jock. Anyone who thinks he's the same jock presently is welcome to contribute even more to the pools.

This is elementary ****. There are people here that really want to debate this issue or that think that Ramon is overrated. How the **** are these people betting? Are they medicated? This is childlike in terms of seeing/understanding. It's a ****in' comedy here with these opinions.

Ramon being overated can be argued. IMO he is the russel baze of the east. Your opinion will suggest otherwise. He is a great jockey but I dont like betting horses that drop in odds just because he is on it. You want to bet 2-5shots with Ramon Dominguez on it then go right ahead. He is raking up the wins in NYRA, yes, but remember he won 1 race from 25 mounts at GP this year.