Great Forgotten Horses

[KirisClown]

This is the first time I've seen Thunder Gulch listed as a "great" horse..

[eajinabi]

Victory Gallop

[Thunder Gulch]

Originally Posted by KirisClown

This is the first time I've seen Thunder Gulch listed as a "great" horse..

What constitutes greatness now with abbreviated careers? Thunder Gulch won a G1 at 2, and had 7 wins in 10 starts as a 3yo, including 4 G1 races. How many horses have ever won 2 of the 3 Triple Crown races, then added the Travers? His last race was a defeat at the hands of Cigar. In most any other year, TG would have been Horse of the Year, but 1995 was a once in a generation year for Cigar.

In his stud career, he produced a HOY, Point Given.

[Gaining Ground]

Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch

What constitutes greatness now with abbreviated careers? Thunder Gulch won a G1 at 2, and had 7 wins in 10 starts as a 3yo, including 4 G1 races. How many horses have ever won 2 of the 3 Triple Crown races, then added the Travers? His last race was a defeat at the hands of Cigar. In most any other year, TG would have been Horse of the Year, but 1995 was a once in a generation year for Cigar.

In his stud career, he produced a HOY, Point Given.

i dont think horses had abbreviated careers in 1995 like they do now. not to nitpick, but the remsen is a grade 2, he didnt win a grade 1 as a 2 year old.

he did have a very good 3 year old year though. he was a very good horse. but i dont think he did enough to say he was great. i think greatness should be reserved for horses who show high quality for at least 2 seasons

[KirisClown]

Originally Posted by HomerS

Won three of the four biggest three year old races. Thats pretty rare company

Yes, I know.. also won the Ftn of Youth, Florida Derby, KY Cup Classic, Swaps.

He was a good and consistent horse.. I've just never associated him with the word "great".

[FATPIANO]

Originally Posted by HomerS

Won three of the four biggest three year old races. Thats pretty rare company

Plus he won grade 1's at multiple tracks in multiple states from coast to coast

He should have been Horse of the Year in 1995, Thunder Gulch was a Great one

[Gaining Ground]

Originally Posted by FATPIANO

He should have been Horse of the Year in 1995, Thunder Gulch was a Great one

didnt cigar have a better year in 1995?

[FATPIANO]

Sorry was never a fan of Cigar, IMO Thunder Gulch was better

[KirisClown]

Cigar's 1995..




Thunder Gulch's 1995..

[Port Conway Lane]

Originally Posted by KirisClown

Cigar's 1995..




Thunder Gulch's 1995..

No contest there although TG had a nice year. Can anyone recall if he was injured in the running of his last start ?

[KirisClown]

He fractured a bone during the running..

http://www.nytimes.com/1995/10/09/sp...l?pagewanted=1