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Old 04-11-2010, 02:21 PM
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why, was arcaro a big fan of native dancers jock, and knows all of eric guerins stories?
Yep.

Arcaro rode Native Dancer all of zero times.
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Old 04-11-2010, 02:27 PM
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i don't think prudery just got the jock wrong, i think it's the wrong horse. i can't recall ever reading that native dancer was a horse you had to time just right for the stretch run. now, i believe buckpasser you had to time perfectly. braulio is available to ask about that tho.
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Old 04-11-2010, 02:51 PM
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i don't think prudery just got the jock wrong, i think it's the wrong horse. i can't recall ever reading that native dancer was a horse you had to time just right for the stretch run. now, i believe buckpasser you had to time perfectly. braulio is available to ask about that tho.
Right horse, right jockey, right in the record books .

I never said you " had to time the run " just right, I said the horse decided at times when he felt like responding .

He did it most profoundly in the American Derby, and it was indicated in literature of the time, that his close margins of victory were somewhat his idea .
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Old 04-11-2010, 02:48 PM
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Yep.

Arcaro rode Native Dancer all of zero times.
Boy are you a dolt .

Arcaro rode him when Eric Guerin was suspended in the American Derby of 1953--see History of the American Thoroughbred by Robertson page 436 .
Also American Racing Manual 1954 .

Native Dancer " delayed his move until he was all straightened out in the stretch ", throwing a scare into Arcaro--who had never ridden him before, and did not know he had a mind of his own.

It is also true that Buckpasser somewhat " planned "his own races as well , but I was not speaking of him.

There is other literature that supports ND's free will attitude, but this should sufficeth .

One should know that I do not put up twaddle about horses or insurance, though I am in neither field, nor do I asttempt to" school " the experts " ..

I accept your apology in advance--now piss off and play with some numbers ..

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