The Grand National

[brockguy]

Originally Posted by Hwjb

I haven't had an ante-post bet and, none too surprisingly, the market has it about right I'd have thought, Big Fella Thanks is surely the likeliest winner, and he's almost becoming backable with some firms going 10/1. I certainly think he has a much better chance than Mon Mome (flattered by his Cheltenham run) and The Package (still think he might be doggy) who are only slightly longer priced.

Black Apalachi must have a very good chance, and I'll certainly have a few shekels on him, whilst Comply Or Die has to be the most solid each-way bet at 20+/1.

I may be slightly biased, but Backstage does tick a lot of boxes in that he's got the requisite speed, he's an up-and-comer, the ground has come right, he jumps well and, for me anyway, he'll stay. Granted a bit of luck obviously, I imagine he'll be thereabouts and will certainly have him to win a fair bit.

Harry, cant have Big Fella Thanks. Im not a fan of his attitude and am not getting too carried away with a win over a certain Swiss bred horse last time out. I do agree with you re: Mon Mome (and I had him last year) and The Package.

My 4 would for the race would be:
Niche Market - Im a huge fan of his, He doesnt have anything in hand of the handicapper but is assured of loving the trip, is a great jumper and I love the angle of backing Irish National winners the next year in the big one.

Comply Or Die - last 2 nationals, he's been first and 2nd, you'd have to say hes a cracking each way bet - may find one or two too good but should be in the top 4.

Vic Venturi - I loved him up until yesterday when Paddy Flood was injured and I would not be Roger Loughran's biggest fans. He is a classy sort. Not much between him and Black Apalachi but I prefer Vic (I think last year was Black Apalachi's year!)

and in my search to find a 100-1 winner I like
Palypso De Creek - This guy is not fast or classy, all he does is stay and hopefully he can run into a place at 100-1+. As a 5yo he won a G3 hurdle over 3m on bottomless ground in Auteuil. That will do for me..

Best of Luck.

[herkhorse]

The best I can do is 8/5 on half the field.

[Sightseek]

I'm rooting for Tricky Trickster.

[viscount26]

Don't want to Redboard, but I finally get Tony M'Coy with a winner and exacta

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by viscount26

Don't want to Redboard, but I finally get Tony M'Coy with a winner and exacta

Very nice!

I haven't watched replays yet but in Dick Francis... is Celestial Halo alright? Love him to death.

Is Ruby alright? All I'm seeing is that he was taken to the hospital and nothing about Celestial except that he fell.

Full results and can someone tell me what RR means (King Johns Castle, last one listed)? Hope the others are okay.


Saturday April 10 2010
Aintree 16:15 - Result
John Smith's Grand National Chase (grade 3 Handicap)
£925000 added, 6yo plus, 4m 4f, Class 1, £521052 penalty, 40 ran
Dist. Horse Wt Jockey Trainer Age SP

1 Don't Push It (IRE) 11-5 A P McCoy Jonjo O'Neill 10 10/1 jf
opened 20/1 £10000-£500 (x5) £9000-£500 £80000-£5000 £10000-£600 (x8) £5000-£300 (x4) £10000-£700 (x7) £5000-£350 (x5) £10000-£800 (x5) £5000-£400 (x9) £10000-£900
2 5 Black Apalachi (IRE) 11-6 p Denis O'regan D T Hughes 11 14/1
opened 16/1 £20000-£1250 Each Way £19200-£1200 Each Way
3 20 State of Play 10-11 Paul Moloney Evan Williams 10 16/1
£8000-£500 Each Way
4 3 Big Fella Thanks 10-12 B J Geraghty P F Nicholls 8 10/1 jf
opened 9/1 £10000-£1000 £5000-£500 (x7)
5 7 Hello Bud (IRE) 10-6 t Mr S Twiston-davies N A Twiston-Davies 12 20/1
opened 33/1 £16500-£500 (x6) £10000-£300 (x4) £12500-£500 £5000-£200 (x6)
6 1½ Snowy Morning (IRE) 10-13 D J Casey W P Mullins 10 14/1
opened 12/1 £7000-£500 Each Way
7 nk Character Building (IRE) 10-11 Miss N Carberry J J Quinn 10 16/1
opened 20/1 £20000-£1000
8 12 Cloudy Lane 11-3 J M Maguire D McCain Jnr 10 25/1
opened 33/1 £50000-£1500 £10000-£300 (x7) £10000-£300 Each Way
9 ¾ Tricky Trickster (IRE) 11-4 R Johnson P F Nicholls 7 16/1

10 s.h Joe Lively (IRE) 11-6 J Tizzard C L Tizzard 11 33/1
opened 66/1
11 dist Cerium (FR) 10-5 D N Russell Paul Murphy 9 50/1
£10000-£200 Each Way
12 8 Comply Or Die (IRE) 11-5 b T J Murphy D Pipe 11 12/1
opened 16/1 £10000-£600 (x10) £10000-£700 (x10)
13 dist Piraya (FR) 10-7 t J W Farrelly D Pipe 7 100/1

14 dist Preists Leap (IRE) 11-0 b P T Enright T G O'Leary 10 100/1

PU Niche Market (IRE) 11-4 Harry Skelton R H Buckler 9 16/1
touched 18/1
PU Dream Alliance 11-3 p T J O'Brien P J Hobbs 9 16/1
opened 33/1
PU Ballyholland (IRE) 11-0 A J Mcnamara C A McBratney 9 25/1
£33000-£1000
PU Beat The Boys (IRE) 11-0 B Hughes N A Twiston-Davies 9 25/1
opened 66/1 £10000-£200 (x8) £20000-£600 £10000-£300 (x6)
PU Conna Castle (IRE) 10-9 S W Flanagan J J Mangan 11 100/1

PU Ollie Magern 10-9 T Molloy N A Twiston-Davies 12 100/1

PU Flintoff (USA) 10-5 b A Tinkler Miss V Williams 9 50/1

F Madison Du Berlais (FR) 11-10 p T Scudamore D Pipe 9 50/1

F Mon Mome (FR) 11-7 A Coleman Miss V Williams 10 14/1
opened 16/1 £5000-£300 £14000-£1000 Each Way
F Made In Taipan (IRE) 11-4 N P Madden T Mullins 8 100/1

F My Will (FR) 11-2 Nick Scholfield P F Nicholls 10 20/1
opened 33/1 £20000-£600 £10000-£300 (x12)
F Pablo Du Charmil (FR) 11-2 t Danny Cook D Pipe 9 100/1

F Can't Buy Time (IRE) 10-13 R P Mclernon Jonjo O'Neill 8 33/1

F Ballyfitz 10-9 David England N A Twiston-Davies 10 50/1

F Eric's Charm (FR) 10-9 W Hutchinson O Sherwood 12 33/1

F Arbor Supreme (IRE) 10-8 Paul Townend W P Mullins 8 16/1

F Maljimar (IRE) 10-8 D Jacob Nick Williams 10 33/1

F Irish Raptor (IRE) 10-7 P J Brennan N A Twiston-Davies 11 33/1

F Palypso De Creek (FR) 10-6 T Siddall C E Longsdon 7 66/1

UR Nozic (FR) 11-3 t L Treadwell P F Nicholls 9 40/1
opened 66/1 £10000-£150 (x12)
UR Ellerslie George (IRE) 10-10 p1 Christian Williams Nick Mitchell 10 66/1

UR The Package 10-7 G Lee D Pipe 7 14/1
opened 12/1 touched 6/1 £32000-£2000 Each Way £12000-£1000 Each Way
UR Royal Rosa (FR) 10-5 K Renwick J Howard Johnson 11 66/1

BD Vic Venturi (IRE) 11-6 p R Loughran D T Hughes 10 25/1

BD Backstage (FR) 11-0 D J Condon G Elliott 8 25/1

RR King Johns Castle (IRE) 10-9 P Carberry A L T Moore 11 28/1



Tote Win: £15.70 Tote Place: £3.90,£3.90,£5.20,£3.90
Straight Forecast: £130.60 Tricast: £2324.26 Exacta: £544.50 Trifecta: £10724.50
Swingers:1&2:£90.40, 2&3:£130.50, 1&3:£99.60

[Sightseek]

King Johns Castle refused to run.

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

King Johns Castle refused to run.

Oh okay thanks! I've never seen that and had no idea.

Naughty!

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

King Johns Castle refused to run.

Those who say horses only run because people whip them, need to watch this race. No amount of encouragement could inspire King John's Castle to take part in this race, while numerous horses who had shed their riders continued to race and jump, having a fine time running around the course with their buddies.

[brockguy]

Originally Posted by viscount26

Don't want to Redboard, but I finally get Tony M'Coy with a winner and exacta

Nice one Ian and fair play to McCoy - was delighted for him.

King Johns Castle may have been the smartest horse out there today

[brockguy]

for people who want to know what it would be like to attend the Grand National, just have a look at this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/ar...nary-hats.html

[GPK]

Originally Posted by brockguy

for people who want to know what it would be like to attend the Grand National, just have a look at this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/ar...nary-hats.html

wow...no wonder you like coming to the States so much.

[Hwjb]

Originally Posted by brockguy

Harry, cant have Big Fella Thanks. Im not a fan of his attitude and am not getting too carried away with a win over a certain Swiss bred horse last time out. I do agree with you re: Mon Mome (and I had him last year) and The Package.

My 4 would for the race would be:
Niche Market - Im a huge fan of his, He doesnt have anything in hand of the handicapper but is assured of loving the trip, is a great jumper and I love the angle of backing Irish National winners the next year in the big one.

Comply Or Die - last 2 nationals, he's been first and 2nd, you'd have to say hes a cracking each way bet - may find one or two too good but should be in the top 4.

Vic Venturi - I loved him up until yesterday when Paddy Flood was injured and I would not be Roger Loughran's biggest fans. He is a classy sort. Not much between him and Black Apalachi but I prefer Vic (I think last year was Black Apalachi's year!)

and in my search to find a 100-1 winner I like
Palypso De Creek - This guy is not fast or classy, all he does is stay and hopefully he can run into a place at 100-1+. As a 5yo he won a G3 hurdle over 3m on bottomless ground in Auteuil. That will do for me..

Best of Luck.

Hiya Kev, hope things are well. That Daily Mail link you posted does not show the women of Liverpool in a good light!

Couldn't have found Don't Push It with more than a dozen tries at the race, but even though I'd backed the second, was delighted a true living legend won the race.

It was surely lack of stamina rather than attitude which beat Big Fella Thanks; that's two years in a row he's taken really well to the fences and, campaigned a bit more sensibly next year (i.e. not running over two and a half the time before), there must be a chance they'll eke out the necesary stamina.

Again, being a little biased, but I thought Backstage was massively unlucky to be brought down by a loose horse when he was going just as well as the principals. He's only 8 and with BFT will be right in the reckoning next year.

[brockguy]

Originally Posted by Hwjb

Hiya Kev, hope things are well. That Daily Mail link you posted does not show the women of Liverpool in a good light!

Couldn't have found Don't Push It with more than a dozen tries at the race, but even though I'd backed the second, was delighted a true living legend won the race.

It was surely lack of stamina rather than attitude which beat Big Fella Thanks; that's two years in a row he's taken really well to the fences and, campaigned a bit more sensibly next year (i.e. not running over two and a half the time before), there must be a chance they'll eke out the necesary stamina.

Again, being a little biased, but I thought Backstage was massively unlucky to be brought down by a loose horse when he was going just as well as the principals. He's only 8 and with BFT will be right in the reckoning next year.

Hey Harry, Im grand, hope youre well. yeah i really just glossed over Dont Push It but was great to see McCoy win and it does refute the notion that you need a low weight to win the National. Soon we'll have top /near top weights regularly win it I think.

I still dont know what to make of Big Fella Thanks. He should get a little bit further in future but he did empty quite rapidly I thought from the 2nd last and that would always be a concern with me.. He does look a different horse over the National fences though and with a sensible preparation he will be a threat next year.

The odd thing about Backstage is he's French bred and seems to hate heavy going. I thought they all loved it!