Lawyer Ron Goes to Pletcher..

[Scav]

People don't care anymore, about anything. Too many people have forgotten about old fashion values, being loyal and trustworthy.

I BLAME TV and Movies for hardening the youth......ok, I just wanted to see what that excuse actually feels like when ridiculous people say it.

Fact is that Karma is a bitch, and sometimes it is really bitchy and sometimes it just hurts a little but KARMA always comes and gets ya when you mess with it

[Scav]

I should call Pletcher and ask him if he would accept me, he takes everything else in....

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by Scav

I should call Pletcher and ask him if he would accept me, he takes everything else in....

you're gonna need a sponser he doesn't take them in for free LOL

[Gander]

He would Scavs. You'd go from running 8 minute miles to 7 minute miles in 2 weeks.

Fleet Scavs, Scavs Indian.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Gander

He would Scavs. You'd go from running 8 minute miles to 7 minute miles in 2 weeks.

Fleet Scavs, Scavs Indian.

ha, ha!

Do you guys honestly think that Pletcher initiated this?
That he was calling the owners up and begging to get this horse?
I doubt it highly.
I would imagine that after being rank once again, and losing narrowly in a big money race, that the owners wanted to make a change and try something new.
I guess I understand that people dislike the rich getting richer. But where were you guys when Mandella got Rock Hard Ten? Why wasn't there crying or bellyaching then?
How about when Kirian got Henny Hughes? Where was this outpouring of concern over loyalty or sympathy?
I guess I don't get it.

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Do you guys honestly think that Pletcher initiated this?
That he was calling the owners up and begging to get this horse?

where did anyone say this?

Originally Posted by paisjpq

where did anyone say this?

Well I mean why the venom at Todd then? What exactly has he done wrong here?
A guy called him up and said we are making a trainer switch on the horse, will you take him? Only a fool wouldn't. If he had said no, they woulda called another guy. Someone was gonna get him, may as well have been him.

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Well I mean why the venom at Todd then? What exactly has he done wrong here?
A guy called him up and said we are making a trainer switch on the horse, will you take him? Only a fool wouldn't. If he had said no, they woulda called another guy. Someone was gonna get him, may as well have been him.

I think the general venom (not all but most ) is directed toward the owners...of course they probably made the right business decision for the horse and of course todd would be a fool to turn the horse down...but business or not, it's a sh*tty human being that pulls a horse with ten minutes notice JMO.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Well I mean why the venom at Todd then? What exactly has he done wrong here?
A guy called him up and said we are making a trainer switch on the horse, will you take him? Only a fool wouldn't. If he had said no, they woulda called another guy. Someone was gonna get him, may as well have been him.

I didn't mean to say that Pletcher hustled the horse or any horse but he is seemingly the only trainer in the business that gets horses like this handed to him on a silver platter. Henny Hughes was sold and as such was moved(though its hard to get teary-eyed for Biancone based upon the depth in his barn) from one mega trainer to another with a little sidetrip to dubai included. Stop defending Pletcher like your his lawyer for a minute ( no pun intended) to see that its discouraging from a standpoint from the other 99% of the business that doesn't have horses with him or sell them to him.
Do you really think that there aren't any other trainers that might have a shot with doing well with a horse such as this?
Pletcher/Dutrow have decreased the quality of racing in NY simply by dominating all the pertinent divisions to the extent where the majority of NY owners get NY breds and dont even try to compete. I dont blame the guy for taking the horse but you dont have to feel good about it.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Do you guys honestly think that Pletcher initiated this?
That he was calling the owners up and begging to get this horse?
I doubt it highly.
I would imagine that after being rank once again, and losing narrowly in a big money race, that the owners wanted to make a change and try something new.
I guess I understand that people dislike the rich getting richer. But where were you guys when Mandella got Rock Hard Ten? Why wasn't there crying or bellyaching then?
How about when Kirian got Henny Hughes? Where was this outpouring of concern over loyalty or sympathy?
I guess I don't get it.

That one sucks too, because didn't Gary get the call while at lunch with Jason Orman?

You've voiced your opinion about how people can trounce on you in the business too. (stallion seasons) Sure it was the owner's right and sure it is business, but it still sucks.

Originally Posted by Sightseek

That one sucks too, because didn't Gary get the call while at lunch with Jason Orman?

You've voiced your opinion about how people can trounce on you in the business too. (stallion seasons) Sure it was the owner's right and sure it is business, but it still sucks.

I think his inability to get the horse to quit being rank certainly didn't help matters any.
Like I said, I think Holthus happens to be a great trainer, every year he develops something very nicely, and he doesnt get all bluebloods.
But you really can't blame a guy who spent a lotta dough on a horse for trying a change.
I think there is a perspective problem here, and allow me to point out that Holthus made the former owner a fortune and won a lotta races, but for the new guy, hes made 3 starts, and had one win, in the illustrious St Louis Derby.
What he did with the horse before Stonewall bought him really doesn't matter to them.
I think if he wins his last race, they never make the switch, never. But he lost with the rankness again, and if I had kicked up that kind of dough for a horse, I can see where I might be a tad upset when he blows a big purse by being rank again. Its not irrational to make a move they feel is in their best interests. And may I remind you of something else, everybody has made a lotta cash on this horse, except the current owner!!!! The former owner and his estate, the trainer, the jockey, the people who own the mare or the half siblings all made out great!!! But the guy who owns him now, well he aint doing so hot compared to them, that guys stuck a lotta cabbage. Lots easier to be loyal and all that when you aren't stuck your ass on an investment.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by oracle80

I think his inability to get the horse to quit being rank certainly didn't help matters any.
Like I said, I think Holthus happens to be a great trainer, every year he develops something very nicely, and he doesnt get all bluebloods.
But you really can't blame a guy who spent a lotta dough on a horse for trying a change.
I think there is a perspective problem here, and allow me to point out that Holthus made the former owner a fortune and won a lotta races, but for the new guy, hes made 3 starts, and had one win, in the illustrious St Louis Derby.
What he did with the horse before Stonewall bought him really doesn't matter to them.
I think if he wins his last race, they never make the switch, never. But he lost with the rankness again, and if I had kicked up that kind of dough for a horse, I can see where I might be a tad upset when he blows a big purse by being rank again. Its not irrational to make a move they feel is in their best interests. And may I remind you of something else, everybody has made a lotta cash on this horse, except the current owner!!!! The former owner and his estate, the trainer, the jockey, the people who own the mare or the half siblings all made out great!!! But the guy who owns him now, well he aint doing so hot compared to them, that guys stuck a lotta cabbage. Lots easier to be loyal and all that when you aren't stuck your ass on an investment.

I can certainly understand that view, I guess personally I would have tried a jockey change.

Originally Posted by oracle80

And may I remind you of something else, everybody has made a lotta cash on this horse, except the current owner!!!! The former owner and his estate, the trainer, the jockey, the people who own the mare or the half siblings all made out great!!! But the guy who owns him now, well he aint doing so hot compared to them, that guys stuck a lotta cabbage. Lots easier to be loyal and all that when you aren't stuck your ass on an investment.

Since when do owners with money invest in horses to make money?

I think there are much better ways to make or recoup money than buying a racehorse. Since part of this thread has to do with the economics of this deal, it is stupidity for the owner to buy the horse with the expectation of making a profit. Much, Much better places to put money.

If anyone but big breeders make money buy purchasing horses, they are obviously extremely talented and should try something else that they can really make a lot of money. This is NOT a money making sport for owners.