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Old 03-28-2010, 10:36 AM
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I have been saying for years that the two turf races (the Duty Free and Sheema Classic) should get at least equal billing to the World Cup as they consistently come up as better quality races. Now, however, with the World Cup run on Tapeta you will dilute the quality of the 2 turf races and get owners trying their hand at the jackpot race on a turf like surface. It makes a mess of the whole thing IMO.

The one good thing you could say is that if they wanted to switch it to dirt, they would have the resources to do it quite easily, but I wouldnt be holding my breath for it to change any time soon.
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Old 03-28-2010, 11:17 AM
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I have been saying for years that the two turf races (the Duty Free and Sheema Classic) should get at least equal billing to the World Cup as they consistently come up as better quality races. Now, however, with the World Cup run on Tapeta you will dilute the quality of the 2 turf races and get owners trying their hand at the jackpot race on a turf like surface. It makes a mess of the whole thing IMO.

The one good thing you could say is that if they wanted to switch it to dirt, they would have the resources to do it quite easily, but I wouldnt be holding my breath for it to change any time soon.
Eh, you're from Ireland. You only like stuff that's colored green.
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Old 03-28-2010, 11:30 AM
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The real farce is what happens at tracks like the AQU Inner, MTH, and all the other bush dirt tracks in the country.

Maybe that's why WO saw an increase in handle and NYRA tracks lost money, for example. Hard to sway the dirt hardliners, however.
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Old 03-28-2010, 12:22 PM
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The issue at hand here which I don't think some of you are understanding is not about whether it's a close jumbled finish in the Dubai World Cup or any other race where longshots win or there's a jumbled finish. The issue at hand here is that save for the Breeders Cup Classic which is supposed to be the premier Classic Distance Championship race in the world, the Dubai World Cup with it's purse and history is simply put one of the top races in the world of it's stature, which in the past was on dirt and at the classic distance of 1 1/4. Now with the Breeders Cup having been run on synthetics for the last two years and the Dubai World Cup now being moved to run on Tapeta synthetic, it basically renders the results as being a total crapshoot, due to the fact that these races that are run over the synthetic surfaces will simply lack the top notch horses we want to see (although it's debatable how many top notch horses are left), it robs the sport of star power and popularity, as most outstanding dirt horses are rendered average on these stupid artificial surfaces, therefore enabling European and other synthetic specialist horses to be on par with an outstanding dirt horse on these synethic surfaces, whereas if these races were held on dirt, we would see the top dirt horses in the world facing off against each other instead of the top turf horses in the world facing off against the top synthetic horses in the world. These turf and synthetic runners wouldn't even be competitive on dirt against our top dirt horses. And because these big races get run on synthetics now, we lose the ability of our top dirt horses in some years to run in the former best dirt races in the world.
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Old 03-28-2010, 12:27 PM
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There may be something to this but the World Cup, unlike the Breeder's Cup, does actually attract horses from around the world.

I would also once again point out that the superstars weren't exactly out in full force last year when on dirt Well Armed won by a pole.

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Old 03-28-2010, 01:14 PM
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There may be something to this but the World Cup, unlike the Breeder's Cup, does actually attract horses from around the world.

I would also once again point out that the superstars weren't exactly out in full force last year when on dirt Well Armed won by a pole.

Paul
The Breeders' Cup doesn't attract horses from around the world? Really? All those milers and turf winners over the years and Sakhee and Giant's Causeway and Swain and Wilco, Arazi and Johannesburg, et al... What were they exactly?
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Old 03-28-2010, 01:25 PM
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The Breeders' Cup doesn't attract horses from around the world? Really? All those milers and turf winners over the years and Sakhee and Giant's Causeway and Swain and Wilco, Arazi and Johannesburg, et al... What were they exactly?
Steve, I agree with you, but to his point, other than the Austrailian horse that showed up in the Classic in 2005, I can't seem to recall any non-European horses "from around the world" showing up for the Breeders' Cup...
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Old 03-28-2010, 01:38 PM
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The Breeders' Cup doesn't attract horses from around the world? Really? All those milers and turf winners over the years and Sakhee and Giant's Causeway and Swain and Wilco, Arazi and Johannesburg, et al... What were they exactly?
The Breeder's Cup does attract horses from Europe. However, the Dubai Carnival gets horses from everywhere. Just off the top of my head, South Africa, Austraila, Japan, Hong Kong and even Norway were represented on yesterday's card. Which Breeder's Cup does that line up resemble?

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Old 03-28-2010, 02:40 PM
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It should be pointed out that Gloria de Campeo (sp?), the winner of the so-called "best race in the world" came to Arlington last year and got buried by over 9 lengths against Gio Ponti.
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Old 03-28-2010, 07:59 PM
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Of course his first name isn't Jesus---it's Steven H.




Thought that was pretty well known,but oh well.
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Old 03-28-2010, 08:37 PM
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I think the pace made the race in the Classic. Modest fractions. A faster pace up front would have equaled a Gio Ponti win, and this thread & Crist's article would have never happenned. It was more about the pace than the surface.
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Old 03-28-2010, 08:53 PM
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I think it would make things more exciting if they eliminated the turf race, so that every turf star like Dar Re Mi and so on could compete in the $10 million race instead.
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Old 03-28-2010, 11:49 PM
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Isn't this a lot like baseball writers carping on the Super Bowl? Contrary to what I may have led others to believe, I read the drf quite frequently. Crist should concentrate on running the dam thing and let the experts handle the racing.
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Old 03-28-2010, 11:53 PM
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Isn't this a lot like baseball writers carping on the Super Bowl? Contrary to what I may have led others to believe, I read the drf quite frequently. Crist should concentrate on running the dam thing and let the experts handle the racing.
These would be the same experts who have run the game into the ground?
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