Invasor, Excitement?

[boswd]

And what gets me about this whole East Coast Bias thing is look at who is the trainer in the game right now who has been the biggest media darling and probably the most well know trainer outside of regular Horse racing fans. Bob Bafffert, a Cali based trainer. And who made him out that way? the media. Look at their past Jockey's they have been among the sport most recognizable names _ Laffit Pincay, The Shoe, Chris McCarron, Gary Stevens, P Val. Eddie D, beside their accomplishments who make them household names? The media!!
Drives me nuts when West Coasters whine when everything doesn't go there way.

[blackthroatedwind]

There is no East Coast/West Coast bias...only some insecurity issue that, it seems to me, only comes from West Coast people. A good horse is a good horse. Anyone can see that. Part of the problem, and I guess this has been said here before, is that a horse stabled on the East Coast tends to ship around a bit, whether Florida in the Winter or Kentucky in the Spring or Fall plus Delaware in the summer, as well as obviously New York. In California there is really only the SA-Hollywood-Del Mar circuit so you don't get as many different opportunities. Thus a good horse on the East Coast has an easier time shipping for opportunities to prove itself. However, West Coast horses ship and certainly hold their own, if they're good enough.

It's not like anybody knowledgable is proclaiming " a good East Coast horse will always beat a good West Coast horse " or any such silliness. It is just misguided defensiveness.

I do not believe in the bias theory. It does not explain the year Heavenly Prize(East) beat Lakeway(West) or the year Bobby Frankel(Everywhere) beat Joe Orseno(East) for Eclipses. It was just bad voting rules both times. It reminded me of Bush "beating" Gore.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Bold Reasoning

I do not believe in the bias theory. It does not explain the year Heavenly Prize(East) beat Lakeway(West) or the year Bobby Frankel(Everywhere) beat Joe Orseno(East) for Eclipses. It was just bad voting rules both times. It reminded me of Bush "beating" Gore.

Good example of Lakeway, didn't she drown Inside Information in the Mother Goose and ended up looking unbeatable, and 2-5, in the Alabama where Heavenly Prize blew her doors off? In defense of Lakeway, she may have ultimately been injured, but certainly there was no bias against her.

What about Balance this year? She went to Keeneland with OK looking pps but somehow was hailed as the second coming, ran poorly in the Ashland and was still favored in the KY Oaks. What was the bias against her?

[somerfrost]

I think the time to engage in this debate will be after the BCC IF not all the "big three" make the race! The JCGC should be a pretty good determinant of which "east coast" horse is the best...if all three make the BCC then the argument will be settled on the track! For once, I hope that is the case!! As I've said for some time...I believe Lava Man will prevail! I'm not really interested in endlessly debating my position, I'm just gonna stay quiet and hope he make the race!

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Good example of Lakeway, didn't she drown Inside Information in the Mother Goose and ended up looking unbeatable, and 2-5, in the Alabama where Heavenly Prize blew her doors off? In defense of Lakeway, she may have ultimately been injured, but certainly there was no bias against her.

What about Balance this year? She went to Keeneland with OK looking pps but somehow was hailed as the second coming, ran poorly in the Ashland and was still favored in the KY Oaks. What was the bias against her?

I agree with you about Lakeway; Steven Crist wrote an interesting article about her after the vote. He had voted for her, from what I could deduce. I loved her because of her breeding, but I was BIASED. She never came back to her best after she suffered nagging injuries.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Bold Reasoning

I agree with you about Lakeway; Steven Crist wrote an interesting article about her after the vote. He had voted for her, from what I could deduce. I loved her because of her breeding, but I was BIASED. She never came back to her best after she suffered nagging injuries.

She has a yearling by Fu Pig. Wonder how that one looks...

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

She has a yearling by Fu Pig. Wonder how that one looks...

I appreciate the information. I like FUPEG!!!!