How a horse improves by 20+ lengths in a month...

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I'm not knocking her at all.

I'm excusing her FG race for legit reasons ... not idiotic Pletcher esque reasons like "she acted up in the gate and that's why she did no running at all that day"

So Pletcher should have said she needed a race, made an ill-advised middle move at FG and was facing an overrated N1X winner, a stretched out middle distance horse and a CA shipper from a trainer who's 0 for his last 13 with horses going from synthetics to dirt in stakes races.

NT

[AeWingnut]

Maybe she just had throat surgery it's fillies
they often to this

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

So Pletcher should have said she needed a race, made an ill-advised middle move at FG and was facing an overrated N1X winner, a stretched out middle distance horse and a CA shipper from a trainer who's 0 for his last 13 with horses going from synthetics to dirt in stakes races.

I'm not so sure she needed a race .. he said she was training big going into that race and was puzzled by her performance but blamed it on her acting up in the gate.

The performance was actually big... the result wasn't.

She ran an absolutely monster race for 6f considering she was only 1 length off a torrid pace figure at that stage .. consider further that she was 5w and 3w and the pace setter was rail, rail ... she actually covered 6 lengths more of ground than the horse setting the blistering pace. Which would skyrocket her pace number to the moon .. and that's not even considering that FG is the last track in the country where you want to race wide on the turns.

[Rudeboyelvis]

A decent farrier and a positive attitude.....works magic.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

A decent farrier and a positive attitude.....works magic.

The Marty Wolfson "worming" is all they need.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

A decent farrier and a positive attitude.....works magic.

When Left Bank won the Whitney in 2002 .. he ran 9fs at Saratoga in 1:47 flat and equaled the track record.

That Shifty Sheik horse ran 1:47 2/5 in the mud going 9fs at Saratoga just 5 days after missing the board in a claiming race in his first start for Oscar.

The very same year - Slew O' Gold beat Track Barron in 1:48 3/5ths in the Whitney. Obviously two different days ... but damn.

When I first started following racing - Oscar was a laughably bad trainer - I mean as bad as it gets. His son is a ham and egger at Finger Lakes and he's way better than Oscar was. I always thought my father was lying to me when he'd tell me stories about Oscar's greatness.

He once tried to convince me that a lot attendant at his car lot was the greatest Jai Alai player of the 80's .. he took me to some little musem at a fronton in Miami. The guy had the same name as the lot attendant - but obviously it wasn't the same person.

[Cannon Shell]

Oscar would never resort to bush league tactics like claim and drop like these 30% hacks do now. All other factors were moot. Distance, class, post, jockey, time between races, etc. meaningless.
Didnt even bother to send them to the track.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Oscar would never resort to bush league tactics like claim and drop like these 30% hacks do now. All other factors were moot. Distance, class, post, jockey, time between races, etc. meaningless.
Didnt even bother to send them to the track.

I found a Beyer article on Oscar at the time of his death.

http://articles.latimes.com/1991-04-..._oscar-barrera

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Oscar would never resort to bush league tactics like claim and drop like these 30% hacks do now. All other factors were moot. Distance, class, post, jockey, time between races, etc. meaningless.
Didnt even bother to send them to the track.

He didn't have to..

[Rudeboyelvis]

I can't believe Nike hasn't gotten into the horseshoe business by now...what a wasted opportunity....Just think about how a little corporate conjecture could have dispelled this "run a muck" witch hunting... Clearly the poor guy was jonesing for a pedi and a fly set of skids

[asudevil]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

When Left Bank won the Whitney in 2002 .. he ran 9fs at Saratoga in 1:47 flat and equaled the track record.

That Shifty Sheik horse ran 1:47 2/5 in the mud going 9fs at Saratoga just 5 days after missing the board in a claiming race in his first start for Oscar.

The very same year - Slew O' Gold beat Track Barron in 1:48 3/5ths in the Whitney. Obviously two different days ... but damn.

When I first started following racing - Oscar was a laughably bad trainer - I mean as bad as it gets. His son is a ham and egger at Finger Lakes and he's way better than Oscar was. I always thought my father was lying to me when he'd tell me stories about Oscar's greatness.

He once tried to convince me that a lot attendant at his car lot was the greatest Jai Alai player of the 80's .. he took me to some little musem at a fronton in Miami. The guy had the same name as the lot attendant - but obviously it wasn't the same person.

Joey???....The great Jewish cesta snd pelota slinger?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by asudevil

Joey???....The great Jewish cesta snd pelota slinger?

Yes ... Joey Long was the name of the guy who washed cars.

My father was obsessed with trying to convince me that Joey Long was the great Joey.

[asudevil]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Yes ... Joey Long was the name of the guy who washed cars.

My father was obsessed with trying to convince me that Joey Long was the great Joey.

There was no crowd bias for Joey or anything.