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[brianwspencer]

Stupak got his "Defender of Life" awards revoked....how sad.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Stupak got his "Defender of Life" awards revoked....how sad.

Gotta dance with the one that brung ya!

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Gotta dance with the one that brung ya!

Just think it's funny that after all that grandstanding for six months, and all of the very conditional support of various "pro-life" groups, he caved in for an Executive Order that does absolutely nothing to give him what he was claiming he was standing for this whole time and that changes nothing....and all the "pro-lifers" hate him.

Oops.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Just think it's funny that after all that grandstanding for six months, and all of the very conditional support of various "pro-life" groups, he caved in for an Executive Order that does absolutely nothing to give him what he was claiming he was standing for this whole time and that changes nothing....and all the "pro-lifers" hate him.

Oops.

Stupak isn't a fool. He knew what he was doing.

He can cave, because he knows longstanding Federal law already strictly prohibits any federal money whatsoever being used for abortion funding. And he knows that this healthcare bill doesn't change, nor did it threaten to change, any of that.

Stupak is a great grandstander. He was trying, however, very seriously, through this diversion regarding the healthcare bill amendment he wanted, to get (via that amendment) tougher abortion restrictions into this country than our law allows, via this bill, by backdooring "Roe vs Wade", and he failed.

Thus accepting the Executive Order means nothing, it's just for show. He didn't get what he really wanted - to circumvent Roe v. Wade and increase restrictions on abortions by making them very difficult to get whether insured or not - anyway.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Riot

Stupak isn't a fool. He knew what he was doing.

He can cave, because he knows longstanding Federal law already strictly prohibits any federal money whatsoever being used for abortion funding. And he knows that this healthcare bill doesn't change, nor did it threaten to change, any of that.

Stupak is a great grandstander. He was trying, however, very seriously, through this diversion regarding the healthcare bill amendment he wanted, to get (via that amendment) tougher abortion restrictions into this country than our law allows, via this bill, by backdooring "Roe vs Wade", and he failed.

Thus accepting the Executive Order means nothing, it's just for show. He didn't get what he really wanted - to circumvent Roe v. Wade and increase restrictions on abortions by making them very difficult to get whether insured or not - anyway.

Exactly. Nothing changed, except that "pro-lifers" were salivating about having someone grandstand for their cause...and then when he actually just maintained the status quo, they called him "baby killer," rescinded his award, and are shaming him now. They never cared about him or his "principled" stand -- it was all about scoring cheap points.

And hilariously enough, everyone who was paying any attention knew that the healthcare bill would never have changed the Hyde Amendnent, but what he was trying to do was go even further and make it so that any plans even remotely touched by government subsidies couldn't provide funds...essentially restricting it even further than it already is in lots of states.

So he's back to a baby killer, but at least he's a household name now for those paying attention -- not sure that either helps him, but I know I'd donate to a progressive challenger for his seat.