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[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by asudevil

Aren't most derbies a pace meltdown?

I think there was a thread somewhere that said a pace meltdown is more the exception than the norm and that most winners come from somewhere sitting off the pace.

When I hear "pace meltdown" I think of Giacomo's year.

[asudevil]

So the consensus is that Ice Box is very slow and has no shot against this group of 3 year olds?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by asudevil

So the consensus is that Ice Box is very slow and has no shot against this group of 3 year olds?

I called him the Belmont winner.. He is trained by the best 3 year old trainer.. He aint no War Pass

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by asudevil

So the consensus is that Ice Box is very slow and has no shot against this group of 3 year olds?

I wouldn't go that far. There is a gulf between "very slow" and "not fast". I just haven't seen the speed Randall was talking about. Against this particular group of 3 year olds, I would say that many of them at this point still have a shot because there hasnt been one that has been really impressive.

If anyone can bet that horse with confidence in the derby off of what we have seen to date, more power to you.

[wac]

I watched the race and just didnt seem to have the "wow" factor that i was hoping to see. i think that i put too much stock into that b/c like today the traape shot horse at GP was a wow race but who did he beat? Best wow i have seen was awesom act and looking at lucky almost going down and still winning just my .02

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by asudevil

So the consensus is that Ice Box is very slow and has no shot against this group of 3 year olds?

no in my opinion hes not at fast as Eskendereya , but that does not mean in the derby he cant move forward and get a piece..he is one to watch moving forward into the derby he did run down from off the pace and he does have one of the best jocks in the country. my internal trakus says he has a shot.