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[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Look you aren't a believer in thoros so it doesn't really matter. I got 2 wide, 7 wide, I'd say with the turns at Gulf that's significant. If my number is right and he ran a 0, he doesn't have to get much faster to win the Derby.

I know I said he was a 50 claimer not to long ago, I still dont think hes that good, little to no impact in the derby IMO.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I know I said he was a 50 claimer not to long ago, I still dont think hes that good, little to no impact in the derby IMO.

My response was not to those who don't like him, we all have horses we feel more or less strongly about. What I will say is he isn't slow, especially for this group. His effort yesterday was better than any race Lookin At Lucky, your Derby fave has ever run...It doesn't mean you should like him or bet him, but he isn't slow.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

My response was not to those who don't like him, we all have horses we feel more or less strongly about. What I will say is he isn't slow, especially for this group. His effort yesterday was better than any race Lookin At Lucky, your Derby fave has ever run...It doesn't mean you should like him or bet him, but he isn't slow.

Really, better than Lookin at Lucky's Rebel?












THUD!

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

My response was not to those who don't like him, we all have horses we feel more or less strongly about. What I will say is he isn't slow, especially for this group. His effort yesterday was better than any race Lookin At Lucky, your Derby fave has ever run...It doesn't mean you should like him or bet him, but he isn't slow.

What was his come home time yesterday? I am curious.

He hasn't shown any speed in his previous races and yesterday was a pace melt down where he picked up the pieces and he still didnt look particularly "fast" doing it. The derby hopefuls have been bad so far so maybe he can build off of this.

Nothing in that race is a serious derby contender in my opinion.

[asudevil]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

What was his come home time yesterday? I am curious.

He hasn't shown any speed in his previous races and yesterday was a pace melt down where he picked up the pieces and he still didnt look particularly "fast" doing it. The derby hopefuls have been bad so far so maybe he can build off of this.

Nothing in that race is a serious derby contender in my opinion.

Aren't most derbies a pace meltdown?

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by asudevil

Aren't most derbies a pace meltdown?

I think there was a thread somewhere that said a pace meltdown is more the exception than the norm and that most winners come from somewhere sitting off the pace.

When I hear "pace meltdown" I think of Giacomo's year.

[asudevil]

So the consensus is that Ice Box is very slow and has no shot against this group of 3 year olds?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by asudevil

So the consensus is that Ice Box is very slow and has no shot against this group of 3 year olds?

I called him the Belmont winner.. He is trained by the best 3 year old trainer.. He aint no War Pass

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by asudevil

So the consensus is that Ice Box is very slow and has no shot against this group of 3 year olds?

I wouldn't go that far. There is a gulf between "very slow" and "not fast". I just haven't seen the speed Randall was talking about. Against this particular group of 3 year olds, I would say that many of them at this point still have a shot because there hasnt been one that has been really impressive.

If anyone can bet that horse with confidence in the derby off of what we have seen to date, more power to you.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by asudevil

So the consensus is that Ice Box is very slow and has no shot against this group of 3 year olds?

no in my opinion hes not at fast as Eskendereya , but that does not mean in the derby he cant move forward and get a piece..he is one to watch moving forward into the derby he did run down from off the pace and he does have one of the best jocks in the country. my internal trakus says he has a shot.

[the_fat_man]

Yeah

When someone looks at the way the FD played out and comes away thinking that the winner or the second horse actually did anything really needs to take the SETUP 101 refresher course. Ice Box couldn't have gotten a better setup and he was stumbling and bumbling and trying to lose it at the end. He's a horse to watch.

Rule gutted the rest of them (with the exception of Lentenor who tried to run late and just didn't -- he's real good --- just needs a bit more race experience. )

[randallscott35]

Frankly the Derby is the ultimate set-up race. For every War Emblem nothing pace, there are 5 races with substantial paces to run at b/c you have a 20 horse field.