Trappe Shot

Betsy · #1 03-21-2010, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by VOL JACK

Why, Betsy?

I tend to be conservative. You referenced Bernardini - I loved Bernardini. I love this horse as well, but I don't think he's another Bernardini. I knew Miner's Reserve shouldn't have run yesterday and I was right. Why push Trappe Shot?

VOL JACK · #2 03-21-2010, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Betsy

I tend to be conservative. You referenced Bernardini - I loved Bernardini. I love this horse as well, but I don't think he's another Bernardini. I knew Miner's Reserve shouldn't have run yesterday and I was right. Why push Trappe Shot?

So where would you run him?

I think they have been conservative enough this winter, with the Fla state breds.

Betsy · #3 03-21-2010, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by VOL JACK

So where would you run him?

I think they have been conservative enough this winter, with the Fla state breds.

Well, first let him win the Withers first. After that, I don't know - I find it hard to believe that the Preakness is the only race he could be pointed at.

hockey2315 · #4 03-21-2010, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Betsy

I tend to be conservative.

You make Mike Huckabee look like Al Franken.

Betsy · #5 03-21-2010, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315

You make Mike Huckabee look like Al Franken.

LOL Maybe so. Well, it turned out well for Miner's Reserve, did it not? He finished next to last. On the other hand, to be fair to Zito, perhaps it turned out that way because the colt's maiden win was a fraud rather than it being a bad decision on Zito's part.

What exactly would you do with Trappe Shot since you think I'm being overly conservative? It's not like this horse wowed anyone on this board; when he broke his maiden and then after today, no one posted about him. If you guys all think he's talented enough to point to the Preakness, then why am I the first to mention him?

RockHardTen1985 · #6 03-21-2010, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Betsy

LOL Maybe so. Well, it turned out well for Miner's Reserve, did it not? He finished next to last. On the other hand, to be fair to Zito, perhaps it turned out that way because the colt's maiden win was a fraud rather than it being a bad decision on Zito's part.

What exactly would you do with Trappe Shot since you think I'm being overly conservative? It's not like this horse wowed anyone on this board; when he broke his maiden and then after today, no one posted about him. If you guys all think he's talented enough to point to the Preakness, then why am I the first to mention him?

I would run him in the Withers, then cut back and take the Woody Stephens and then go from there.... Just me. Maybe point towards the Jim Dandy-Travers, I would just skip the Triple Crown at this point.

Sightseek · #7 03-21-2010, 05:53 PM

It's a wonder that fellas like Zito and McLaughlin win Classic races.

Betsy · #8 03-21-2010, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek

It's a wonder that fellas like Zito and McLaughlin win Classic races.

Since you didn't post about the colt's performance, I'm assuming you weren't impressed. In that case, I'm also assuming you think it would be a bad move to go to the Preakness. Instead of making a snarky comment, you could try and explain why going to the Preakness would be a good idea. I won't hold my breath waiting, though. You also failed to comment about Miner's Reserve's performance. Tell me again how it was a good idea to run him yesterday?

Sightseek · #9 03-21-2010, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Betsy

Since you didn't post about the colt's performance, I'm assuming you weren't impressed. In that case, I'm also assuming you think it would be a bad move to go to the Preakness. Instead of making a snarky comment, you could try and explain why going to the Preakness would be a good idea. I won't hold my breath waiting, though. You also failed to comment about Miner's Reserve's performance. Tell me again how it was a good idea to run him yesterday?

You're crazy, you know that right?

Betsy · #10 03-21-2010, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I would run him in the Withers, then cut back and take the Woody Stephens and then go from there.... Just me. Maybe point towards the Jim Dandy-Travers, I would just skip the Triple Crown at this point.

That sounds ok by me; I think he's more of a sprinter/miler anyway.

VOL JACK · #11 03-21-2010, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Betsy

That sounds ok by me; I think he's more of a sprinter/miler anyway.

This is a classic distance horse.

His Half sis...Miss Shop (by Deputy Minister) won a G1 at Saratoga going 10f.
His half brother...Looking around (by Crafty prospector) ran his 2 best beyers by far when he was finally stretched out to 9f.

Of course with ALL the sprinters Tapit is throwing, I see your point...

RockHardTen1985 · #12 03-22-2010, 12:14 AM

My suggestion was as a start, after those 2 races he would still only have 5 career starts and some bottom for races like the Jim Dandy and Travers. I know his pedigree and it is distance.

RolloTomasi · #13 03-21-2010, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Betsy

LOL Maybe so. Well, it turned out well for Miner's Reserve, did it not? He finished next to last. On the other hand, to be fair to Zito, perhaps it turned out that way because the colt's maiden win was a fraud rather than it being a bad decision on Zito's part.

Actually, from the pre-race interview, it seemed as though the genius Kent Desormeaux went over Zito's head and talked the owner into running (one can imagine Big Brown's name being invoked in that phone call). Zito, who didn't seem too pleased telling the story (he said Desormeaux was "politicing"), likely had little to do with it, and ended up with a black spot on his otherwise big day.

Of course, Desormeaux pulled out all the stops to make himself look smart, taking the colt wide into the turn while restraining the colt early, disarming his best weapon, his early speed.

Don't be surpised to see a new jockey on next time out.

Monarchos1 · #14 03-22-2010, 09:17 AM

[quote=RolloTomasi]Actually, from the pre-race interview, it seemed as though the genius Kent Desormeaux went over Zito's head and talked the owner into running (one can imagine Big Brown's name being invoked in that phone call). Zito, who didn't seem too pleased telling the story (he said Desormeaux was "politicing"), likely had little to do with it, and ended up with a black spot on his otherwise big day.

I read multiple quotes from Zito, Desormeaux and LaPenta in which all stated that the jock convinced the owner to run Miner's Reserve. I believe one Zito statement was something like, "I had other plans for the horse."

Kent needs to stick to riding and LaPenta needs to listen to his Hall of Fame trainer.

blackthroatedwind · #15 03-22-2010, 09:25 AM

Admit it, you guys only like Trappe Shot because you watched him on Trips&Traps after his debut.

Oh yeah, Ice Box made an appearance as well after his debut.

RolloTomasi · #16 03-22-2010, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Admit it, you guys only like Trappe Shot because you watched him on Trips&Traps after his debut.

Oh yeah, Ice Box made an appearance as well after his debut.

Clearly, you have an affinity for all things Pulpit.

What do you think of Sky Mesa as a sire?

Betsy · #17 03-22-2010, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Admit it, you guys only like Trappe Shot because you watched him on Trips&Traps after his debut.

Oh yeah, Ice Box made an appearance as well after his debut.

I'm sorry to say I missed it that day....

Betsy · #18 03-22-2010, 05:36 PM

[quote=Monarchos1]

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Actually, from the pre-race interview, it seemed as though the genius Kent Desormeaux went over Zito's head and talked the owner into running (one can imagine Big Brown's name being invoked in that phone call). Zito, who didn't seem too pleased telling the story (he said Desormeaux was "politicing"), likely had little to do with it, and ended up with a black spot on his otherwise big day.

I read multiple quotes from Zito, Desormeaux and LaPenta in which all stated that the jock convinced the owner to run Miner's Reserve. I believe one Zito statement was something like, "I had other plans for the horse."

Kent needs to stick to riding and LaPenta needs to listen to his Hall of Fame trainer.

Blame Nick, as he was the one who allowed himself to get talked into it, if you're going to blame anyone.

blackthroatedwind · #19 03-22-2010, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Betsy

Blame Nick, as he was the one who allowed himself to get talked into it, if you're going to blame anyone.

Just be sure to credit him for the fine job he did bringing Ice Box along slowly and deliberately to his Florida Derby victory.

It's an imperfect world and you can't please all the people all the time.