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Old 03-15-2010, 04:59 PM
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let's say you were the trainer chuck and mr jackson came to you and wanted you to make the April 9th race against Z. would you be able to get her ready to face Z in that amount of time ?

the facts are RA off since sept , works start jan 27 , Zenyatta retired but not missing a beat in training for some odd reason since the BC - is there any possible way that RA could be at 100 % for this race on april 9th , we all know Z is and will be at 100% , but could rachel be there? is it really fair for RA to face Z on april 9th given the fact that 1 horse has not missed a beat since oct and the other one had a 5 mth layoff and will have about 2 1/2 months of acclerated training? if the shoe was on the other foot would sheirffs really run Z against RA?
I still don't understand what I'm missing here.
Did RA run 130 BSFs all last year and all of the sudden run a 75 last Saturday? I don't think so. Did she run back to her top numbers in her first back? No, but she ran well enough and fast enough that it seems perfectly reasonable to expect that she might be close to where she was last year in her next start.
People (including the connections apparently) make it sound as if she went from being Citation last year to being a $5K claimer in her first race this year. Neither is the case.
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Old 03-15-2010, 05:06 PM
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I still don't understand what I'm missing here.
Did RA run 130 BSFs all last year and all of the sudden run a 75 last Saturday? I don't think so. Did she run back to her top numbers in her first back? No, but she ran well enough and fast enough that it seems perfectly reasonable to expect that she might be close to where she was last year in her next start.
People (including the connections apparently) make it sound as if she went from being Citation last year to being a $5K claimer in her her first race this year. Neither is the case.

again here are the facts:

1 horse off from sept to late jan , 1 horse working regurlaly even though she was supposed to be retired since oct

they both race sat and will go again in 3 weeks - who has the fitness edge ?? are we to believe that Z has no fitness edge?

are we to believe that if the roles were reversed moss and sheriffs would acclerate Z's training from late jan to get her ready to run against a horse that hasn't missed a beat since oct in the AB?
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Old 03-15-2010, 05:21 PM
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again here are the facts:

1 horse off from sept to late jan , 1 horse working regurlaly even though she was supposed to be retired since oct

they both race sat and will go again in 3 weeks - who has the fitness edge ?? are we to believe that Z has no fitness edge?

are we to believe that if the roles were reversed moss and sheriffs would acclerate Z's training from late jan to get her ready to run against a horse that hasn't missed a beat since oct in the AB?

Would we be questioning RA's fitness if Zardana wasn't in that race? She would have posted a nice Beyer in a win by open lengths. A lot of folks would be handing her the AB victory already.

On the flip side, Zenyatta's number was much lower on that crap surface in her home state. And she only beat a bunch of mules. This is true, I read it on a forum somewhere. Sounds like Zenyatta is the one who should be backing down.

Guess she doesn't read Derby Trail.
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Old 03-15-2010, 05:22 PM
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again here are the facts:

1 horse off from sept to late jan , 1 horse working regurlaly even though she was supposed to be retired since oct

they both race sat and will go again in 3 weeks - who has the fitness edge ?? are we to believe that Z has no fitness edge?

are we to believe that if the roles were reversed moss and sheriffs would acclerate Z's training from late jan to get her ready to run against a horse that hasn't missed a beat since oct in the AB?
So are you saying that Ass/Jackson never should have agreed to run in the OP race in the first place because there is simply no way they had enough time to get her ready for it?
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Old 03-15-2010, 05:28 PM
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So are you saying that Ass/Jackson never should have agreed to run in the OP race in the first place because there is simply no way they had enough time to get her ready for it?

yes -( Assmussen had no inital say in my opinion , you can put up all the quotes about what he said , they are all just sound bites to the media, in my opinion it was the owners decision )

would you care now to answer my questions since i answered yours ?
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Old 03-15-2010, 05:35 PM
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yes -( Assmussen had no inital say in my opinion , you can put up all the quotes about what he said , they are all just sound bites to the media, in my opinion it was the owners decision )

would you care now to answer my questions since i answered yours ?
What questions? The ones about what Moss would do in an alternate universe where the situation was reversed?
I have no earthly idea.

All I do know is that both horses ran pretty well on Saturday, although both ran considerably slower than they did at the end of their respective campaigns last year. Personally, I know of no reason why both couldn't run better in a race four weeks down the road.
What did Rachel run on saturday in terms of BSFs? A 100? Is it really imposible to think that she could run considerably better four weeks later, and that that might be good enough to win the race? I don't think so. I realize BSFs certainly aren't the only way to judge the quality of a performance, but it would seem possible - and perhaps even probable - for her to run a 105+ in four weeks. That could very easily be good enough to win.
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Old 03-15-2010, 05:43 PM
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What questions? The ones about what Moss would do in an alternate universe where the situation was reversed?
I have no earthly idea.

All I do know that is both horses ran pretty well on Saturday, although both ran considerably slower than they did at the end of their respective campaigns last year. Personally, I know of no reason why both couldn't run better in a race four weeks down the road.
What did Rachel run on saturday BSF-wise? A 100? Is it really imposible to think that she could run considerably better four weeks later, and that that might be good enough to win the race? I don't think so.

if you and another similar human being were going to run a race , let's say a distance race , last year you both ran a lot were in shape were both winning races and were working out reguarly

now you take off in sept and totally shut down until late jan , you start up training again , you have to change up your regiemen to get ready for a race in april

your oppoent let's say danzig, ran his last race in oct, told you he was going to call it quits and retire , but, you see him out there doing his daily work and not missing a beat all throughout the winter

would you really want to take him on with only 2 1/2 months of training , while he hasn't missed a beat since oct - who do you think would be better fit to run the race???? .................it's the same with horses , these are animals these are not machines with keys in them
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Old 03-15-2010, 05:53 PM
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if you and another similar human being were going to run a race , let's say a distance race , last year you both ran a lot were in shape were both winning races and were working out reguarly

now you take off in sept and totally shut down until late jan , you start up training again , you have to change up your regiemen to get ready for a race in april

your oppoent let's say danzig, ran his last race in oct, told you he was going to call it quits and retire , but, you see him out there doing his daily work and not missing a beat all throughout the winter

would you really want to take him on with only 2 1/2 months of training , while he hasn't missed a beat since oct - who do you think would be better fit to run the race???? .................it's the same with horses , these are animals these are not machines with keys in them
Who am I running against, Danzig the horse, or Danzig the DT.com member?
If it is Danzig the horse....I'm pretty sure I'd lose.
If it is Danzig the DT member....I'm not sure. I've met her before and although she looked like she keeps in pretty good shape, I'd have the advantage of a longer stride......so.....it could go either way.

Listen, based on her race Saturday, I just don't think RA's fitness looked as dismal as you and others seem to believe. The reason I don't think that is becasue she ran a fast race. Was she short? Yeah probably, but not ridiculously so, and I don't see how that ensures that she won't be "ready" for the next start.
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