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Old 03-14-2010, 04:01 PM
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Exactly right.
What is the big deal about her getting beat yesterday? It isn't like she ran horribly. I admit I don't know squat about training a horse, but I didn't see a thing from that race yesterday that made me think she shouldn't run at OP.
The problem seems to be they have unrealistically overrated the filly. She is a very good horse with a couple of truly fantastic accomplishments. However she is not invincible, no horse is
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Old 03-14-2010, 04:04 PM
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The problem seems to be they have unrealistically overrated the filly. She is a very good horse with a couple of truly fantastic accomplishments. However she is not invincible, no horse is

what do you mean? Haven't you heard of Zenyatta?!?
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Old 03-14-2010, 04:09 PM
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what do you mean? Haven't you heard of Zenyatta?!?
Zenyatta has beat up on cupcakes in 90% of her starts. She is far from a lock taking on males (even the crappy ones that masquerade as grade 1 horses these days) on dirt.
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Old 03-14-2010, 04:13 PM
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Zenyatta has beat up on cupcakes in 90% of her starts. She is far from a lock taking on males (even the crappy ones that masquerade as grade 1 horses these days) on dirt.
3 day old cupcakes
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Old 03-14-2010, 04:14 PM
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I expect Zenyatta to lose that race anyway.
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Old 03-14-2010, 04:19 PM
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I expect Zenyatta to lose that race anyway.
You're bound to get one right one of these days.
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Old 03-14-2010, 04:14 PM
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If Rachel doesn't show in the AB, you have to wonder if the Moss' are thrilled about Sheriff's decision to send Zardana against RA yesterday, even second place in the AB would have been worth a lot more than a win is worth now. It is not everyday you get to run for $5 million!
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Old 03-14-2010, 04:15 PM
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If Rachel doesn't show in the AB, you have to wonder if the Moss' are thrilled about Sheriff's decision to send Zardana against RA yesterday, even second place in the AB would have been worth a lot more than a win is worth now. It is not everyday you get to run for $5 million!
They could supplement to the Dubai WC!
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Old 03-14-2010, 04:17 PM
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If Rachel doesn't show in the AB, you have to wonder if the Moss' are thrilled about Sheriff's decision to send Zardana against RA yesterday, even second place in the AB would have been worth a lot more than a win is worth now. It is not everyday you get to run for $5 million!

Do they even bother sending Z to Oak now? There's got to be a Grade 1, five horse field of fillies and mares to challenge her in California around the same time.
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Old 03-14-2010, 04:28 PM
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"If I knew she wasn't going to win I wouldn't have run her". Asmussen

What did I tell this forum...

You can apply that to last year also with running in the Woodward against mediocre Bullsbay and Macho Again rather than trying real horses in the Travers. Then she skips the BC and now when she loses a 'Prep' which is designed to get the horse ready for a match up with Zenyatta, they once again duck, avoid the race. It's embaressing that they moved the race 1 week back to accomodate her.

As I told some of you last year to all that bought into this marvellous campaign that she somehow faced the best in raciing. There was an element of smoke and mirrors to her HOY season. With racing there is always risk to losing, however with these connections the chance of winning does not equal the fear of losing. Let the excuses come via the fanclub.

If this wasn't dissapointing this would be actually funny.

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Old 03-14-2010, 04:30 PM
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"If I knew she wasn't going to win I wouldn't have ran her". Asmussen

What did I tell you this forum...

You can apply that to last year also with running in the Woodward against mediocre Bullsbay and Macho Again rather than trying real horses in the Travers. Then she skips the BC and now when she loses a 'Prep' which is designed to get the horse ready for a match up with Zenyatta, they once again duck, avoid the race. It's embaressing that they moved the race 1 week back to accomodate her.

But I told you so last year to all that bought into this marvellous campaign that she somehow faced the best. With racing there is always risk to losing, however with these connections the chance of winning does not equal the fear of losing. Let the excuses come via the fanclub.

If this wasn't dissapointing this would be actually funny.
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Old 03-14-2010, 04:19 PM
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I think its great they didn't wait around to make this announcement. Good for them! They took a shot in the prep to see how she looked and it wasn't to their liking. That being the case- why run?

Hopefully, Rachel will be back sometime later in the spring or summer and we can see this go down.

Wouldn't you be pissed if they waited around for another week or two before making the announcement?
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Old 03-14-2010, 04:23 PM
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I think its great they didn't wait around to make this announcement. Good for them! They took a shot in the prep to see how she looked and it wasn't to their liking. That being the case- why run?

Hopefully, Rachel will be back sometime later in the spring or summer and we can see this go down.

Wouldn't you be pissed if they waited around for another week or two before making the announcement?
What if she goes out and turns in absolutely stellar workout next week. She looks great, runs a fast time, etc.
That leaves two options:
1) They continue to say she isn't going....which would make virtually no sense.
2) They change their mind and say she is going to run....in which case....why announce right now one way or the other?
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Old 03-14-2010, 04:25 PM
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I think its great they didn't wait around to make this announcement. Good for them! They took a shot in the prep to see how she looked and it wasn't to their liking. That being the case- why run?

Hopefully, Rachel will be back sometime later in the spring or summer and we can see this go down.

Wouldn't you be pissed if they waited around for another week or two before making the announcement?
While I understand where you are coming from and fully expected Jackson to drag it out before backing out but the reasoning behind not running is unusual to say the least.
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Old 03-14-2010, 04:30 PM
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managment at oak= suicidal..but hey could be they say she is kicking down the stalls and wants to go anyway..
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Old 03-14-2010, 06:19 PM
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I think its great they didn't wait around to make this announcement. Good for them! They took a shot in the prep to see how she looked and it wasn't to their liking. That being the case- why run?

Hopefully, Rachel will be back sometime later in the spring or summer and we can see this go down.

Wouldn't you be pissed if they waited around for another week or two before making the announcement?
Me too.
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Old 03-14-2010, 05:23 PM
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If Rachel doesn't show in the AB, you have to wonder if the Moss' are thrilled about Sheriff's decision to send Zardana against RA yesterday, even second place in the AB would have been worth a lot more than a win is worth now. It is not everyday you get to run for $5 million!

excellent point man. Sheriff's cost them big time. Rachel wins there is no excuse, they go to the Apple Blossum and get part of $5 mil. Now it's hardly a race of note.
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Old 03-14-2010, 05:58 PM
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excellent point man. Sheriff's cost them big time. Rachel wins there is no excuse, they go to the Apple Blossum and get part of $5 mil. Now it's hardly a race of note.

Wow … didn't realize Shirreffs owned Zardana…
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Old 03-14-2010, 06:06 PM
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Wow … didn't realize Shirreffs owned Zardana…
He doesn't own Zardana and he sure isn't the one that cost anybody to lose anything. The owner od the horse ultimately calls the shots and it aint him.
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Old 03-14-2010, 04:15 PM
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Zenyatta has beat up on cupcakes in 90% of her starts. She is far from a lock taking on males (even the crappy ones that masquerade as grade 1 horses these days) on dirt.

I guess I should have added one of these:
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