Zenyatta - Page 4

Payson Dave · #61 03-13-2010, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man

How is this different from making sure to always check a certain someone's NYRA picks before putting down YOUR money? At least he basically has his OWN opinion.

Enjoy the day's events.

having an opinion is good.... confusing opinion with fact is not so good

pointman · #62 03-13-2010, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man

How is this different from making sure to always check a certain someone's NYRA picks before putting down YOUR money? At least he basically has his OWN opinion.

Enjoy the day's events.

Unlike you, I don't have the time to pour over racing videos to obtain all the information that I would like to have before I make my selections. I am sure you will try to lump me into a speed figures guy, but frankly, I see them as only one piece of information to use with other factors in handicapping. Regardless of what you think of Serling, he provides valuable information to people like me who play the game for fun, not for a living. I would be a fool not to take time to factor that information into my handicapping.

Pedigree Ann · #63 03-13-2010, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

actually, i think she's six now.

honestly tho--if i were the mosses, i wouldn't travel. keep her home and get the win streak record.

The all-time win streak is 56 races, the feat of the Puerto Rican star Camarero in the 1950s. The top-international-class-racehorse record belongs to the legendary unbeaten Hungarian mare Kincsem with 54. Any other 'record' is an artificial construct, made by limiting by time (21st Century?) or location (US and Canada? The Caribbean Islands are usually counted as part of North America.) I doubt that Zenyatta's people are going campaign her to reach either of these two records.

Cannon Shell · #64 03-13-2010, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

The all-time win streak is 56 races, the feat of the Puerto Rican star Camarero in the 1950s. The top-international-class-racehorse record belongs to the legendary unbeaten Hungarian mare Kincsem with 54. Any other 'record' is an artificial construct, made by limiting by time (21st Century?) or location (US and Canada? The Caribbean Islands are usually counted as part of North America.) I doubt that Zenyatta's people are going campaign her to reach either of these two records.

Those "records" are not relevant. Puerto Rican racing in the 50's and Hungarian racing in the 1870's have no relation to modern racing. It is like insisting that the All time, single season HR king is Joe Bauman for his 72 hr season in 1954 for the class C Roswell of the Longhorn league.

freddymo · #65 03-13-2010, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by pointman

Unlike you, I don't have the time to pour over racing videos to obtain all the information that I would like to have before I make my selections. I am sure you will try to lump me into a speed figures guy, but frankly, I see them as only one piece of information to use with other factors in handicapping. Regardless of what you think of Serling, he provides valuable information to people like me who play the game for fun, not for a living. I would be a fool not to take time to factor that information into my handicapping.

Well said...One thing you know from Serling is he is telling the world exactly were his betting dollars are going if at all!!!!!!!!!!!!!What else do you want then that a Fat Chart?

the_fat_man · #66 03-13-2010, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by pointman

Unlike you, I don't have the time to pour over racing videos to obtain all the information that I would like to have before I make my selections. I am sure you will try to lump me into a speed figures guy, but frankly, I see them as only one piece of information to use with other factors in handicapping. Regardless of what you think of Serling, he provides valuable information to people like me who play the game for fun, not for a living. I would be a fool not to take time to factor that information into my handicapping.

I have nothing against Serling. I respect Serling, and his opinion, and always have. I consider Serling to be one of the best trip handicappers, if not the best, around. And, his game is constantly improving. I thought this was obvious.

This game is brutal and I'd be the last person to deny anyone the opportunity to do whatever it takes to cash a bet. Here, however, there are a number of different factions and I just never felt the need to go with the consensus.

Nothing more than that involved.

Danzig · #67 03-13-2010, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

The all-time win streak is 56 races, the feat of the Puerto Rican star Camarero in the 1950s. The top-international-class-racehorse record belongs to the legendary unbeaten Hungarian mare Kincsem with 54. Any other 'record' is an artificial construct, made by limiting by time (21st Century?) or location (US and Canada? The Caribbean Islands are usually counted as part of North America.) I doubt that Zenyatta's people are going campaign her to reach either of these two records.

i'm talking about the record pepper's pride currently holds (sorry, miraja!) but you knew that. and yes, i think everyone is well aware of kincsem and her 54wins, irrelevant as it is.

johnny pinwheel · #68 03-13-2010, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Payson Dave

...I disagree

i know, i was kidding about "he tried to lose" but that ride was a nightmare. he could of went 9 wide and still won going away.

Honu · #69 03-13-2010, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel

i know, i was kidding about "he tried to lose" but that ride was a nightmare. he could of went 9 wide and still won going away.

No he wouldnt have , if he would have circled he would have got beat , he only won by little more than a length , he loses if he circles.

SCUDSBROTHER · #70 03-14-2010, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Honu

No he wouldnt have , if he would have circled he would have got beat , he only won by little more than a length , he loses if he circles.

Looks like it was quicker ground in there. See Interactif fly on the turn (while running on the rail.) Caracortado looks like he's not getting his moneys worth out there, and then goes even wider coming into the stretch. In the 5th race, the winner seems to be running on better ground down there. After the race, you can see this animal still full of run on the 1st turn. Ditto the San Felipe winner. The winner of the 5th has had easy leads on this surface before, and still hadn't won here yet. He got run down late after being clear on a 1:14 pace. Today, they weren't coming. Some of that is due to that better ground down there today. That trainer isn't very good, and/or doesn't cheat. His horses don't usually look the way that winner did after the 5th race. I think he was enjoying better ground. There were some slow paces involved, but, still, I think they also had a lil better ground down there. Zenyatta had to run down the #1 horse, right? Down on the inside in the stretch (some lil rat with Garcia trying another thievery.) In the last race, some horse on the inside leads until late, and finally gets passed. I think Smith probably stayed down there for a reason. I think Atkinson probably didn't know that, or didn't care. I'd dump him now for the smarter money rider (Smith) if he's not already committed. Not saying he was gunna beat the soft pace leader, but he shouldn't of gone wide on a track that wasn't favoring the outside. A horse that is this hardcore (Caracortado) is often gunna get hurt in a situation just like this.

parsixfarms · #71 03-14-2010, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

i see zardana staying and running in ark, and zenyatta staying in cali if rachel doesn't show.

I think this is highly unlikely. The Apple Blossom has been Zenyatta's early season target. If the RA people duck the race, I can't imagine that Moss would "let them off the hook" by keeping Zenyatta in California.

The Indomitable DrugS · #72 03-14-2010, 08:34 AM

I'd certainly bet Zardana over Zenyatta on dirt... but yeah, they only both run in the Apple Blossom if RA goes... obviously.

JohnGalt1 · #73 03-14-2010, 09:19 AM

While watching both races I initially thought, "Wow, Zenyatta's still got it." and "Rachel's not as good as a Horse of the Year should be."

Then I realized that after long lay offs BOTH races were just preps for the main event--the Apple Blossom.

Danzig · #74 03-14-2010, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms

I think this is highly unlikely. The Apple Blossom has been Zenyatta's early season target. If the RA people duck the race, I can't imagine that Moss would "let them off the hook" by keeping Zenyatta in California.

it only became her target a few weeks ago. if rachel doesn't go, the purse drops dramatically. no reason to ship then, and zardana is already close by. they both won't run if rachel fails to appear.

just saw that moss says they'll show regardless...we'll see.