HOL trims stakes purses; Rosario's book to Ebanks

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by philcski

That's the bane of being a public handicapper. I'm just trying to give credit where credit is due. The NY Post guys pick a lot of chalk of course and they don't even match the takeout. The fields at Pid necessitate picking short prices often anyways...

Clocking their selections are ya?

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Clocking their selections are ya?

I read the Post every day for years, and they publish their winning percentage and ROI daily. Their selections are laughably bad.

[westcoastinvader]

Originally Posted by philcski

I read the Post every day for years, and they publish their winning percentage and ROI daily. Their selections are laughably bad.

I bet Vic would have made sure Tyler Baze made the flight to Kentucky legally sober a couple years back.

Rosario was barely notable on the national regular fan radar screen before Vic got him.

Before I was hired by Martin Garcia I asked for Joel's good graces. He willingly game them. As Martin began to have sucess I would periodically check Joel's comfort level. He always assured me that he was fine and happy for Martin. The day he fired me in addition to saying he felt he could do better. He stated that he felt uncomfortable with an agent that had two riders. He also stated that if I would have stayed with him he expected me to resign as the announcer at Hollywood Park. THERE IS NO CHANCE OF ME EVER DOING THAT. If Pincay made a comeback and Shoemaker can back to life in his prime I'm not walking away from race calling. For what it's worth I knew something was brewing Wed. afternoon. Joel told me he wanted to speak to me after the races. I knew I was either being fired or asked to give up Garcia. I had about 2 hours to prepare for that meeting. I sought counsel from three good friends. John Sadler, Mike Mitchell and my wife Tina. After hearing what they had to say and searching my heart I had decided to stay with Martin if the ultimatim was issued. It never was and I was out. Oh well. I did my best. I wish Joel well. He's a great rider. Our business is like no other in the world. Very dysfunctional. I'm not immune or anyone else. More to come soon..................What could it be?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

Before I was hired by Martin Garcia I asked for Joel's good graces. He willingly game them. As Martin began to have sucess I would periodically check Joel's comfort level. He always assured me that he was fine and happy for Martin. The day he fired me in addition to saying he felt he could do better. He stated that he felt uncomfortable with an agent that had two riders. He also stated that if I would have stayed with him he expected me to resign as the announcer at Hollywood Park. THERE IS NO CHANCE OF ME EVER DOING THAT. If Pincay made a comeback and Shoemaker can back to life in his prime I'm not walking away from race calling. For what it's worth I knew something was brewing Wed. afternoon. Joel told me he wanted to speak to me after the races. I knew I was either being fired or asked to give up Garcia. I had about 2 hours to prepare for that meeting. I sought counsel from three good friends. John Sadler, Mike Mitchell and my wife Tina. After hearing what they had to say and searching my heart I had decided to stay with Martin if the ultimatim was issued. It never was and I was out. Oh well. I did my best. I wish Joel well. He's a great rider. Our business is like no other in the world. Very dysfunctional. I'm not immune or anyone else. More to come soon..................What could it be?

Hang in there Vic we are all pulling for you..

[Danzig]

i'm sure everyone figured that was the case-i think rosario got irritated that martin won the big cap, and felt it should have been his ride. that's life.

what i find distasteful about this story is the glee some are getting from the bad news vic received.

[Gaining Ground]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i'm sure everyone figured that was the case-i think rosario got irritated that martin won the big cap, and felt it should have been his ride. that's life.

what i find distasteful about this story is the glee some are getting from the bad news vic received.

wasnt rosario on the favorite in the big cap though? i agree rosario probably had some jealousy about garcia doing well, but i dont think rosario would have gotten off st trinians if baffert wanted him on misremembered

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i'm sure everyone figured that was the case-i think rosario got irritated that martin won the big cap, and felt it should have been his ride. that's life.

what i find distasteful about this story is the glee some are getting from the bad news vic received.

It's a character flaw, kind of like NASCAR fans waiting for the wreck.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

Before I was hired by Martin Garcia I asked for Joel's good graces. He willingly game them. As Martin began to have sucess I would periodically check Joel's comfort level. He always assured me that he was fine and happy for Martin. The day he fired me in addition to saying he felt he could do better. He stated that he felt uncomfortable with an agent that had two riders. He also stated that if I would have stayed with him he expected me to resign as the announcer at Hollywood Park. THERE IS NO CHANCE OF ME EVER DOING THAT. If Pincay made a comeback and Shoemaker can back to life in his prime I'm not walking away from race calling. For what it's worth I knew something was brewing Wed. afternoon. Joel told me he wanted to speak to me after the races. I knew I was either being fired or asked to give up Garcia. I had about 2 hours to prepare for that meeting. I sought counsel from three good friends. John Sadler, Mike Mitchell and my wife Tina. After hearing what they had to say and searching my heart I had decided to stay with Martin if the ultimatim was issued. It never was and I was out. Oh well. I did my best. I wish Joel well. He's a great rider. Our business is like no other in the world. Very dysfunctional. I'm not immune or anyone else. More to come soon..................What could it be?

Okay...I get first guess:

You are bringing Pval back.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

your fired at hollywood too.?

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

Before I was hired by Martin Garcia I asked for Joel's good graces. He willingly game them. As Martin began to have sucess I would periodically check Joel's comfort level. He always assured me that he was fine and happy for Martin. The day he fired me in addition to saying he felt he could do better. He stated that he felt uncomfortable with an agent that had two riders. He also stated that if I would have stayed with him he expected me to resign as the announcer at Hollywood Park. THERE IS NO CHANCE OF ME EVER DOING THAT. If Pincay made a comeback and Shoemaker can back to life in his prime I'm not walking away from race calling. For what it's worth I knew something was brewing Wed. afternoon. Joel told me he wanted to speak to me after the races. I knew I was either being fired or asked to give up Garcia. I had about 2 hours to prepare for that meeting. I sought counsel from three good friends. John Sadler, Mike Mitchell and my wife Tina. After hearing what they had to say and searching my heart I had decided to stay with Martin if the ultimatim was issued. It never was and I was out. Oh well. I did my best. I wish Joel well. He's a great rider. Our business is like no other in the world. Very dysfunctional. I'm not immune or anyone else. More to come soon..................What could it be?

Thanks for keeping us in the loop with the why's, who and how's of your personal business decisions and disappointments. It's easy to be available for the performances that make you rich but being stand up when things don't go well takes a special guy.

Rosario had to be a difficult kid to depend on as it seemed like he was taking more "personal days" that should have been work days. I'm sure those highly desired mounts come your way only if your around at the crack of dawn and show up for your mounts each afternoon. You landed on your feet here Vic and though I'm sure you'll defend Joel's attendance record. It's gotta be a relief not to have to cart the kid around to make sure he gets where he should. GL with the coming meet and to keeping two name jocks happy and working.

[Gaining Ground]

Originally Posted by docicu3

Thanks for keeping us in the loop with the why's, who and how's of your personal business decisions and disappointments. It's easy to be available for the performances that make you rich but being stand up when things don't go well takes a special guy.

Rosario had to be a difficult kid to depend on as it seemed like he was taking more "personal days" that should have been work days. I'm sure those highly desired mounts come your way only if your around at the crack of dawn and show up for your mounts each afternoon. You landed on your feet here Vic and though I'm sure you'll defend Joel's attendance record. It's gotta be a relief not to have to cart the kid around to make sure he gets where he should. GL with the coming meet and to keeping two name jocks happy and working.

[randallscott35]

What an abortion that ride was by Tyler on Sweeter Still....make that the first discussion you guys have....how is Vic going to get granite countertops with rides like that.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

What an abortion that ride was by Tyler on Sweeter Still....

Way to finish like a woman. The reason that so much is made about Rosario's ability is that, outside of Gomez, Bejarano (and sometimes Espinosa) none of the other S Cal jocks can finish. They can't put a horse in a drive. Of course, this is only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to (the) Baze(s).

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by docicu3

Thanks for keeping us in the loop with the why's, who and how's of your personal business decisions and disappointments. It's easy to be available for the performances that make you rich but being stand up when things don't go well takes a special guy.

Rosario had to be a difficult kid to depend on as it seemed like he was taking more "personal days" that should have been work days. I'm sure those highly desired mounts come your way only if your around at the crack of dawn and show up for your mounts each afternoon. You landed on your feet here Vic and though I'm sure you'll defend Joel's attendance record. It's gotta be a relief not to have to cart the kid around to make sure he gets where he should. GL with the coming meet and to keeping two name jocks happy and working.

Yeah. He must be relieved he isn't having to cart a top 3 jock around. Where do people like you come up with this stuff? You say that Rosario had a bad work ethic, then admit that Stauffer will disagree?

Why Baze is an ok jock, he is not near Rosario's level. And given Baze's past history I am not so sure he won't be more "difficult" than Rosario.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

Before I was hired by Martin Garcia I asked for Joel's good graces. He willingly game them. As Martin began to have sucess I would periodically check Joel's comfort level. He always assured me that he was fine and happy for Martin. The day he fired me in addition to saying he felt he could do better. He stated that he felt uncomfortable with an agent that had two riders. He also stated that if I would have stayed with him he expected me to resign as the announcer at Hollywood Park. THERE IS NO CHANCE OF ME EVER DOING THAT. If Pincay made a comeback and Shoemaker can back to life in his prime I'm not walking away from race calling. For what it's worth I knew something was brewing Wed. afternoon. Joel told me he wanted to speak to me after the races. I knew I was either being fired or asked to give up Garcia. I had about 2 hours to prepare for that meeting. I sought counsel from three good friends. John Sadler, Mike Mitchell and my wife Tina. After hearing what they had to say and searching my heart I had decided to stay with Martin if the ultimatim was issued. It never was and I was out. Oh well. I did my best. I wish Joel well. He's a great rider. Our business is like no other in the world. Very dysfunctional. I'm not immune or anyone else. More to come soon..................What could it be?

Stay calling races. F.uck the small sh1t.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by philcski

Stay calling races. F.uck the small sh1t.

pun intended?

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

Before I was hired by Martin Garcia I asked for Joel's good graces. He willingly game them. As Martin began to have sucess I would periodically check Joel's comfort level. He always assured me that he was fine and happy for Martin. The day he fired me in addition to saying he felt he could do better. He stated that he felt uncomfortable with an agent that had two riders. He also stated that if I would have stayed with him he expected me to resign as the announcer at Hollywood Park. THERE IS NO CHANCE OF ME EVER DOING THAT. If Pincay made a comeback and Shoemaker can back to life in his prime I'm not walking away from race calling. For what it's worth I knew something was brewing Wed. afternoon. Joel told me he wanted to speak to me after the races. I knew I was either being fired or asked to give up Garcia. I had about 2 hours to prepare for that meeting. I sought counsel from three good friends. John Sadler, Mike Mitchell and my wife Tina. After hearing what they had to say and searching my heart I had decided to stay with Martin if the ultimatim was issued. It never was and I was out. Oh well. I did my best. I wish Joel well. He's a great rider. Our business is like no other in the world. Very dysfunctional. I'm not immune or anyone else. More to come soon..................What could it be?

Thanks for sharing.

btw

Good race callers are harder to come by than good jocks. Someone else will need an agent

Good luck

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

Before I was hired by Martin Garcia I asked for Joel's good graces. He willingly game them. As Martin began to have sucess I would periodically check Joel's comfort level. He always assured me that he was fine and happy for Martin. The day he fired me in addition to saying he felt he could do better. He stated that he felt uncomfortable with an agent that had two riders.

Vic, this seems like a guy who'd been worked on by a puddy cat for 3-4 days, and just got worn down (broke him.) Ain't like a man to give that reason ( he already denied it was a problem.) Men don't do that unless they're under duress.