HOL trims stakes purses; Rosario's book to Ebanks

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by Scav

Woman are the f'n rake man

Wayne Catalano and the Calabrese racing team has extended an hand out to Michael for the Arlington Park meet.

This is so great. At least I know I will only be haunted for the first couple weeks until he gets benched and ET Baird is called back in.

Michael Baze is gonna win a ton of races out there.What's he up against? Tim Thorton....Razo....Wade...Riggs........Uriel Lopez ? With Catalano backing him he will crush that laughable colony.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Why do some trainers whine as much as they do about "getting spun" ?

The jockey is one of the most meaningless factors in all of racing ... is it such a great loss that a rider - or his agent - who would rather ride another horse in the race is not on your horse?

Principle.

Add to the fact an effeminate ogre is the one doing it.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

The jockey is one of the most meaningless factors in all of racing

How do you watch as many races as you do and still find the NUTS to (repeatedly) post this stuff? Especially since your 'home track' is PID.

Statistics are MEANINGFUL.
Speed Figures are MEANINGFUL

A premature move is MEANINGLESS.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

PID is my 'home track' only in so much as it's 2 miles away and all my selections go in the newspaper.

For two straight years my top selection has yielded a flat bet profit at the end of each meet.

But hey, that's just 1,600 races... Joel Rosario, who you knock bigtime as a jockey, has yielded a flat bet profit for a riding career of over 4k races.

Don't get me wrong .. I'll downgrade the chances of a horse if I think the new rider is hopelessly incompetent... or if the rider switch is one I deem negative.

Just because I quote a lot of riders stats doesn't mean it's much of a factor in my handicapping. A lot of times - the reputation of the rider gets baked into the odds. Yeah, Dominguez is great ... but if you get him you're going to see a bit of a hit in price. Yeah, Jackie Davis stinks ... but hey, you're going to get the best of it price wise with someone like that. If the horse runs well enough .. it won't matter.

Sometimes everything unfolds right and bad riders land perfect trips. Sometimes things go wrong and good riders find bad trips.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

PID is my 'home track' only in so much as it's 2 miles away and all my selections go in the newspaper.

For two straight years my top selection has yielded a flat bet profit at the end of each meet.

But hey, that's just 1,600 races... Joel Rosario, who you knock bigtime as a jockey, has yielded a flat bet profit for a riding career of over 4k races.

Your top picks are typically CHALK, from what I've seen you write on the topic. Moreover, I just completed a year's worth of plays, close to 2,000 plays, with a POSITIVE ROI. (And my only 'tool' is that simpleton Fat Chart-- imagine if the charts were actually accurate?)
It's NOT statistics or any other of the common tools. So, let's get that out of the way and not feel the need to mention it again.

I could care less what Rosario's flat bet results are. I have an idea what he can and can't do from watching him. He's NOT a top jock. If I depended on results, then I'd be keying on Jacquie Davis, who certainly has a HIGHER return over the past 200 races than Rosario. These stats are USELESS to me.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Your top picks are typically CHALK, from what I've seen you write on the topic. Moreover, I just completed a year's worth of plays, close to 2,000 plays, with a POSITIVE ROI. (And my only 'tool' is that simpleton Fat Chart-- imagine if the charts were actually accurate?)
It's NOT statistics or any other of the common tools. So, let's get that out of the way and not feel the need to mention it again.

I could care less what Rosario's flat bet results are. I have an idea what he can and can't do from watching him. He's NOT a top jock. If I depended on results, then I'd be keying on Jacquie Davis, who certainly has a HIGHER return over the past 200 races than Rosario. These stats are USELESS to me.

This is not true.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by philcski

This is not true.

It is true Phil. I've had top pick winners pay as high as 35/1 and more than a few pay higher than 15/1 .. which is a big reason for the profitable stats.

But the vast majority of the time - I'm picking short prices on top.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Your top picks are typically CHALK, from what I've seen you write on the topic. Moreover, I just completed a year's worth of plays, close to 2,000 plays, with a POSITIVE ROI. (And my only 'tool' is that simpleton Fat Chart-- imagine if the charts were actually accurate?)
It's NOT statistics or any other of the common tools. So, let's get that out of the way and not feel the need to mention it again.

I could care less what Rosario's flat bet results are. I have an idea what he can and can't do from watching him. He's NOT a top jock. If I depended on results, then I'd be keying on Jacquie Davis, who certainly has a HIGHER return over the past 200 races than Rosario. These stats are USELESS to me.

Yeah. You win at the track. Your picks on your little twitter page are hilarious. That is when you post them. And you are one to talk about chalk. When your dartboard is correct and you do hit something it's some ridiculously chalky exacta that you brag about. Leaving your charming personality out of the equation you are truly one of the worst cappers to grace the internet.

But you sure act like a guy who wins at the track

Like when you make fun of farmers with..

"Look at me daddy I'm a farmer!"

You're being mean.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52mZs9ngNug

[Scav]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

Michael Baze is gonna win a ton of races out there.What's he up against? Tim Thorton....Razo....Wade...Riggs........Uriel Lopez ? With Catalano backing him he will crush that laughable colony.

Here is the thing though, the hatred between Calabrese and Catalano is still there, he isn't going to be riding for both of them, one because they are in alot of races together and two, Calabrese won't ride someone that he is riding usually.

There is no doubt he is gonna be getting on some Cadilliac's. Hell, Catalano was getting Brandon Meier to win races for christ sake, he is usually done riding by the 1/4 pole because he hasn't eaten in three days.

There is also no doubt that this colony is less to be desired. I think Wade is hurt again by the way.

[-BT-]

Originally Posted by Scav

Here is the thing though, the hatred between Calabrese and Catalano is still there, he isn't going to be riding for both of them, one because they are in alot of races together and two, Calabrese won't ride someone that he is riding usually.

There is no doubt he is gonna be getting on some Cadilliac's. Hell, Catalano was getting Brandon Meier to win races for christ sake, he is usually done riding by the 1/4 pole because he hasn't eaten in three days.

There is also no doubt that this colony is less to be desired. I think Wade is hurt again by the way.

threw earlie fires some huge bones at the end of his carreer as well. IMO Baze will be a middle of the road jock, by no means do i see him dominating ANY meet

-bt-

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by Scav

Here is the thing though, the hatred between Calabrese and Catalano is still there, he isn't going to be riding for both of them, one because they are in alot of races together and two, Calabrese won't ride someone that he is riding usually.

There is no doubt he is gonna be getting on some Cadilliac's. Hell, Catalano was getting Brandon Meier to win races for christ sake, he is usually done riding by the 1/4 pole because he hasn't eaten in three days.

There is also no doubt that this colony is less to be desired. I think Wade is hurt again by the way.

I just think that when given half decent mounts, Baze is one of the better jocks out at SA. The guy did win a few meets out there yrs ago. Now he is goin to a colony that is very weak.

For Baze's sake hopefully Catalano chooses him...will be better off. I would guess some of the better horsemen will be off to NJ this summer making Catalano that much stronger out there. If a guy like Brandon M. can win races out there....anyone with 2 arms, 2 legs, and a head can win.

I didn't realize that Calabrese and Catalano STILL hate eachother. Figured they would have moved past it. Frank Calabrese is a strange guy. Heard some strange stories about that dude when I lived out there.

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

I just think that when given half decent mounts, Baze is one of the better jocks out at SA. The guy did win a few meets out there yrs ago. Now he is goin to a colony that is very weak.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

I just think that when given half decent mounts, Baze is one of the better jocks out at SA. The guy did win a few meets out there yrs ago. Now he is goin to a colony that is very weak.

For Baze's sake hopefully Catalano chooses him...will be better off. I would guess some of the better horsemen will be off to NJ this summer making Catalano that much stronger out there. If a guy like Brandon M. can win races out there....anyone with 2 arms, 2 legs, and a head can win.

I didn't realize that Calabrese and Catalano STILL hate eachother. Figured they would have moved past it. Frank Calabrese is a strange guy. Heard some strange stories about that dude when I lived out there.

When he won those meets, didn't he have his bug?

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by Scav

When he won those meets, didn't he have his bug?

I don't believe so. He had been riding in NJ for a while before he went out there.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

I don't believe so. He had been riding in NJ for a while before he went out there.

I don't think so either, I just looked and he was Eclipse winner in 2003 for top apprentice, he won Hollywood meet and Del Mar meet in 2007 according to NTRA

http://www.breederscup.com/bio.aspx?id=25223.