Both of them ran F'ing awful on the dirt at Gavea.
I scored pretty big on that Ay Caramba at Monmouth in the stake. He crushed some pretty good horses in those classified allowance races at CD and for whatever reason they let him drift up. I think Hotstuffandthensome was the favorite and the track recordholder or something.
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please use generalizations and non-truths when arguing your side, thank you