Musket Man

[the_fat_man]

Hard to like him. All out last time against nothing; and now cutting back 2F --and on that turf course -- which should **** up his footwork nicely.

Nice job of plotting out a path for this horse. Too bad the connections didn't complete the IDIOT TROIKA by keeping the Great Collapser up.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Hard to like him. All out last time against nothing; and now cutting back 2F --and on that turf course -- which should **** up his footwork nicely.

Nice job of plotting out a path for this horse. Too bad the connections didn't complete the IDIOT TROIKA by keeping the Great Collapser up.

My main man agrees with me, ALL I NEED.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Hard to like him. All out last time against nothing; and now cutting back 2F --and on that turf course -- which should **** up his footwork nicely.

Nice job of plotting out a path for this horse. Too bad the connections didn't complete the IDIOT TROIKA by keeping the Great Collapser up.

surely you know something more than the connections , especially derrick ryan

[Cannon Shell]

With the forecast for tons of rain the next few days maybe they entered thinking that it might come off?

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by gales0678

surely you know something more than the connections , especially derrick ryan

That's right. You have a horse coming off of an extended layoff and Ryan was really looking to get him a race where he could, basically, get gutted running. 'Cause, he didn't have anything planned in the future for this horse. So, he puts the Great Collapser on the horse, who gives him a WIDE trip, wider than anything in the race, then, at the point where he cruises to the lead, the idiot on the runner up, who had sat a perfect trip to that point, decides to gun and go after MM. The Great Collapser then is stuck in no man's land and has no choice but to beat on MM to wire, just barely holding off a horse that's staggering in the lane like a ****in drunk (this is the runner up) and trying to lay all over MM. So, all in all it was probably the perfect prep for Ryan. He gets his horse beaten to death and forced to go all out in a field he's supposed to lay over.

Not saying he can't win the 5F turf sprint. I haven't looked at who's in the race but he figures to get a RIDICULOUSLY BETTER trip with Dominguez up than he got with the Great Collapser, and if there's any kind of speed in the race, a well timed move by Dominguez gets him there. (Assuming Ryan has a clue about how cutbacks work and doesn't work too much speed into him.) So ****in' what? He still got the **** beat out of him last time out. And, off that effort, he really doesn't appear to be anywhere near a contender for some of the better races.

So, yeah. Off the replay it appears that the connections had their heads up their asses in this case. See, I'm all for not senselessly abusing horses.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

That's right. You have a horse coming off of an extended layoff and Ryan was really looking to get him a race where he could, basically, get gutted running. 'Cause, he didn't have anything planned in the future for this horse. So, he puts the Great Collapser on the horse, who gives him a WIDE trip, wider than anything in the race, then, at the point where he cruises to the lead, the idiot on the runner up, who had sat a perfect trip to that point, decides to gun and go after MM. The Great Collapser then is stuck in no man's land and has no choice but to beat on MM to wire, just barely holding off a horse that's staggering in the lane like a ****in drunk (this is the runner up) and trying to lay all over MM. So, all in all it was probably the perfect prep for Ryan. He gets his horse beaten to death and forced to go all out in a field he's supposed to lay over.

Not saying he can't win the 5F turf sprint. I haven't looked at who's in the race but he figures to get a RIDICULOUSLY BETTER trip with Dominguez up than he got with the Great Collapser, and if there's any kind of speed in the race, a well timed move by Dominguez gets him there. (Assuming Ryan has a clue about how cutbacks work and doesn't work too much speed into him.) So ****in' what? He still got the **** beat out of him last time out. And, off that effort, he really doesn't appear to be anywhere near a contender for some of the better races.

So, yeah. Off the replay it appears that the connections had their heads up their asses in this case. See, I'm all for not senselessly abusing horses.

yeah , please continue to believe that you know more than derrick ryan , you might actually fool people here into believing that you do , but , you couldn't shine his shoes

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by gales0678

yeah , please continue to believe that you know more than derrick ryan , you might actually fool people here into believing that you do , but , you couldn't shine his shoes

So Ryan is infallible and the move can't be questioned? There's a Grade II stake at Gulfstream at a mile and there was a 65k stake at 1 1/16 at Tampa last week and he shows up in a 5f sprint? You hardly have to be an aspiring trainer to see that as a pretty odd move.

If they are indeed looking for mile type races, cutting back from 7fs to 5fs for a horse's 2nd start of the year sure is an unorthodox way to do it.

NT

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

So Ryan is infallible and the move can't be questioned? There's a Grade II stake at Gulfstream at a mile and there was a 65k stake at 1 1/16 at Tampa last week and he shows up in a 5f sprint? You hardly have to be an aspiring trainer to see that as a pretty odd move.

If they are indeed looking for mile type races, cutting back from 7fs to 5fs for a horse's 2nd start of the year sure is an unorthodox way to do it.

NT

weren't you one of the non-believers that knocked the horse/ connections here last year pre ky derby , surely if you and the fat man trained him you would have gotten him pass MTB and won that race as well

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by gales0678

weren't you one of the non-believers that knocked the horse/ connections here last year pre ky derby , surely if you and the fat man trained him you would have gotten him pass MTB and won that race as well

Find where I questioned him and I'll believe it. If I questioned anything it was probably your psuedo insider statements about how great he was doing because a friend of a friend of the groom called and said he ate up well.

Shouldn't you be plotting your strategy about how to beat him since the human anchor is riding?

NT

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by gales0678

weren't you one of the non-believers that knocked the horse/ connections here last year pre ky derby , surely if you and the fat man trained him you would have gotten him pass MTB and won that race as well

Your out of control right now. Ryan sucks IMO, so Im taking it to a whole new level now, and honestly I think this horse sucks. I could name 10 handicap horses that are better then him, HANDS DOWN. The move is odd, and pointing to the Met is a waste of time.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by gales0678

yeah , please continue to believe that you know more than derrick ryan , you might actually fool people here into believing that you do , but , you couldn't shine his shoes

The difference between me and you, BRO, is that you LOSE by listening to all these IDIOTS and I WIN by doing my own thing.

I mean, explain to me why in the world you would ever bet YOUR money on someone else's opinion? This is like the ultimate castration. Then again, EUNUCHS historically are some of funniest characters, and you certainly entertain with your comments.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

The difference between me and you, BRO, is that you LOSE by listening to all these IDIOTS and I WIN by doing my own thing.

I mean, explain to me why in the world you would ever bet YOUR money on someone else's opinion? This is like the ultimate castration. Then again, EUNUCHS historically are some of funniest characters, and you certainly entertain with your comments.

steve again please explain to me how you know more than derick ryan

as for idiots that i follow do you want to apolgize to andy , steve , hooves , scavs ---- i have made scores by adding their picks onto tickets

[Scav]

Originally Posted by gales0678

steve again please explain to me how you know more than derick ryan

as for idiots that i follow do you want to apolgize to andy , steve , hooves , scavs ---- i have made scores by adding their picks onto tickets

You can throw me off this list, I am garbage now. Lost my touch