Anybody See the 6th at Laurel Today?

[Rupert Pupkin]

After the win with the troubled trip, the biggest question in my mind was whether or not the horse came out of the race in one piece. I think the answer is no. After that race, he didn't come back and work for 18 days. Then after that work, he didn't come back and work for 17 days and that work was a 3 furlong work, two days before his race.

I highly doubt this horse was doing well coming into this race and I highly doubt he ran anything close to his best. We may never know for sure. It will be interesting to see if he takes a long vacation.

By the way, even according to the infallible Beyer numbers, he didn't run anything close to his best. He ran a 78 Beyer in his debut.

There is also a chance I could be wrong about the horse's ability. It wouldn't be the first or the last time.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I think he just beat a TERRIBLE field in that Laurel win and you're reaching a bit for excuses. Look how the horses he beat have faired.....

The horse who was 2nd to him came back as the even money betting favorite in his next start and was beaten 8 lengths by a 2nd time starter who got beat a mere 27 lengths in his debut.

The 3rd place finisher from his win got beat 6.5 lengths at 8/5 odds in his next start.

The 4th place finisher was beaten 19 lengths and 14.5 lengths in his next two starts - the latter trouncing coming for a 25K maiden claiming tag.

As Mr. Eloquence said earlier in the thread - "there are no trips in slow races" .. or something like that.

While I wouldn't disagree that he was visually impressive in victory when you watch the race ... it obviously had a whole lot more to do with the bums that were running behind him.

The prettiest girl at the fat camp always looks irresistible ... until she surrounds herself with better company.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

As Mr. Eloquence said earlier in the thread - "there are no trips in slow races" .. or something like that.

If racing consisted of a time trail format, this would be true. However, racing, as presently contested, is all about MATCHUPS. It's about which horse has an advantage given the way the race figures to be run. As such, FAST really doesn't figure into it as much as some would think AND, it follows, that trips have pretty much nothing to do with FAST (excepting the very obvious cases of fast/slow fractions.) Of course, I'm referring to how a horse ran in terms of the setup of the race NOT how many times it steadied going around the track.

Mr Eloquence is also on record as insisting that horses don't like to run inside. Yet another track/handicapping truism that's just wrong yet continues to be thrown around by even those who really should know better.

This really isn't the proper way to 'educate' those new to the game.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

If racing consisted of a time trail format, this would be true. However, racing, as presently contested, is all about MATCHUPS. It's about which horse has an advantage given the way the race figures to be run. As such, FAST really doesn't figure into it as much as some would think AND, it follows, that trips have pretty much nothing to do with FAST (excepting the very obvious cases of fast/slow fractions.) Of course, I'm referring to how a horse ran in terms of the setup of the race NOT how many times it steadied going around the track.

Mr Eloquence is also on record as insisting that horses don't like to run inside. Yet another track/handicapping truism that's just wrong yet continues to be thrown around by even those who really should know better.

This really isn't the proper way to 'educate' those new to the game.

Serling is doing an amazing job..Since his involvement at NYRA the product is immensly better and peopleare given an opportunity to learn and be privy to his experience and love for the sport.

[blackthroatedwind]

The Fat Man is an embittered fool that speaks jibberish that bears no semblence of truth. It's actually comical.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

btw is the reason nyra has any credibilty in its pre race analysis.and for that
matter the its the best of all site feed programing.hrtv/tvg ect.

[the_fat_man]

This from someone who was just recently whining about getting beat at 12:1 by an inside trip from Dominguez (the ride of the year, in fact) while his horse was getting the Johnny V trip.

The IRONY was lost on him.

I'm embittered. I really want to be a BEYERITE.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I think he just beat a TERRIBLE field in that Laurel win and you're reaching a bit for excuses. Look how the horses he beat have faired.....

The horse who was 2nd to him came back as the even money betting favorite in his next start and was beaten 8 lengths by a 2nd time starter who got beat a mere 27 lengths in his debut.

The 3rd place finisher from his win got beat 6.5 lengths at 8/5 odds in his next start.

The 4th place finisher was beaten 19 lengths and 14.5 lengths in his next two starts - the latter trouncing coming for a 25K maiden claiming tag.

As Mr. Eloquence said earlier in the thread - "there are no trips in slow races" .. or something like that.

While I wouldn't disagree that he was visually impressive in victory when you watch the race ... it obviously had a whole lot more to do with the bums that were running behind him.

The prettiest girl at the fat camp always looks irresistible ... until she surrounds herself with better company.

I agree with you. The field he beat was terrible. There is no question about that. But that doesn't mean he's not a good horse. Most of the good horses (horses that ended up being graded stakes winners) we've seen over the years that broke their maidens at tracks like Laurel, Delaware, Philly Park, etc. didn't beat any world beaters when they broke their maidens.

Whether this horse is any good or not, I don't think he's anything close to 100% right now. He's only had 2 works the last 7 weeks (and one of them was a 3 furlong work, 2 days before his race. In his race the other day, he was around 15 lengths back early and the pace wasn't even that fast (:47 2/5). The horse rarely works out and he's lost all his speed. The horse may not be any good but I certainly don't think he's anything close to 100% right now.