Derby Trail Forums

Go Back   Derby Trail Forums > Main Forum > The Paddock
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Today's Posts

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 03-03-2010, 08:07 PM
Sightseek's Avatar
Sightseek Sightseek is offline
Flemington
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 11,024
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by randallscott35
Weather is not an issue. If it rains, it rains. Belmont has the fairest track that the BC goes to and a great turf course. Is it warm, no. Is it freezing, no.

I respectfully disagree, 2005 at Belmont was VERY, VERY cold.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 03-03-2010, 08:14 PM
smuthg's Avatar
smuthg smuthg is offline
Woodbine
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Springfield, MO
Posts: 1,010
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sightseek
I respectfully disagree, 2005 at Belmont was VERY, VERY cold.
I'll 2nd that... it was too cold to drink, and I don't have that problem very often.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 03-03-2010, 08:20 PM
pmacdaddy's Avatar
pmacdaddy pmacdaddy is offline
The Curragh
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Long Island, NY
Posts: 2,867
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by smuthg
I'll 2nd that... it was too cold to drink, and I don't have that problem very often.
I muddled through a few glasses of scotch from the stands, but it really was cold.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 03-30-2010, 11:16 AM
viscount26's Avatar
viscount26 viscount26 is offline
Gulfstream Park
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Queens NY
Posts: 1,156
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by pmacdaddy
I muddled through a few glasses of scotch from the stands, but it really was cold.
Next time you should watch from Austin's. I'll try to book some entertainment
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 03-30-2010, 01:15 PM
Cannon Shell's Avatar
Cannon Shell Cannon Shell is offline
Sha Tin
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 20,855
Default

Apart from the surface issue, like Phil I dont see anything that makes their case and in fact think they are going completely in the wrong direction. While weather can be a nuisance to the on track customers the vast majority of money is bet off track. Having a West Coast BC also makes for an early start for the on track patrons which cant be considered a positive. Marketingwise I dont see how having the event at the same place year after year cant get a little stale to the local media. It isnt as though marketing has helped the industry in CA, especially with traditional cards like the Big Cap which 20 years ago was still a major event that drew 70000+. Selling the industry year after year to CA when the sport is facing serious hurdles there and the everyday racing is in decline is a strange philosophy. So there are 17 milion visitors to CA a year? What the hell does that have to do with anything? Why not hold it at Disneyland?

The Breeders Cup board has to decide just exactly it wants the Breeders Cup to be. Right now they are selling it as something different that what they seemingly believe it to be. Like so many others in the business, they simply dont understand that the best way to improve business is to improve the product, not selling primo seats, squeezing out sponsorship money or tricking people that a permanant host is a swell idea.

Seriously it is the least of my worries as a horseman. I wont nominate any of my foals to the BC because simply having them in a regional state breeding program is more than enough reward. I dont currently have a whole lot of contenders in the barn (though being at AP on a synthetic surface probably would be an advantage over my eastern counterparts if I did). I rarely spend a lot of money betting the 2 days races. But it is important because it is the biggest event in my business in the fall and even if it falls short as a true championship day the marginalization of the event is not a good thing. And you can talk all you want about the reasons why it should have a permanent site but that will serve to marginalize it regardless.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 03-03-2010, 08:22 PM
freddymo freddymo is offline
Belmont Park
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 7,091
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sightseek
I respectfully disagree, 2005 at Belmont was VERY, VERY cold.
Wasn't great ... The turf course was OK but the day kind of sucked.. Too be fair it could have been 70 and sunny
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 03-03-2010, 09:01 PM
tector's Avatar
tector tector is offline
Sheepshead Bay
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: South Florida
Posts: 1,053
Default

2001 and 2005 were very cold at Belmont.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 03-08-2010, 07:48 AM
Kasept's Avatar
Kasept Kasept is offline
Steve Byk
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Greenwich, NY
Posts: 44,401
Default

CANDOR AND THE CUP
By Ray Paulick

I was all set to name Satish Sanan the winner of the first annual John Mayer Foot in Mouth Award for comments he made on Steve Byk’s “At the Races” Sirius/XM satellite radio show last Tuesday from which he was quoted in a Bloodhorse.com article as saying Churchill Downs was the “worst” racing organization and each of the Breeders’ Cups at Lone Star Park and Monmouth Park was a “disaster.”

Then I thought I’d better listen to the show before throwing Sanan under the bus with Mayer, the pop star who made some outrageous remarks in a just-published Playboy magazine interview about former girlfriends Jessica Simpson and Jennifer Aniston, among other subjects. Since the interview was published, Mayer, a profilic Twitterer, said he has “been trying to prove to people I’m not a douche bag.”

For what it’s worth, I don’t think Sanan has to take that drastic of a measure.

FULL COLUMN: http://www.paulickreport.com/blog/candor-and-the-cup/

CONCLUSION: This industry needs people with the candor, the fresh perspective and the creative business acumen that Sanan has brought to Breeders’ Cup and other industry organizations, including the Thoroughbred Owners and Breeders’ Cup, where he is member of a committee addressing issues related to structural changes and horse racing’s broken business model.

The candor sometimes gets him in trouble. “There is a group of people particularly pissed off at me,” he said on the radio show, “not as to what I’m trying to achieve or what the group is trying to achieve, (but about) what I had said about the alphabet soup organizations…People are taking it personally, some of the officers of some of these organizations. Candidly, the old saying in business is if you are trying to solve a business problem, generally speaking people who are part of the problem are people who are going to object to it.”

It’s that kind of candor and blunt talk that doesn’t endear Sanan to some people, but I get the feeling he doesn’t really care about that. We haven’t gotten very far in this business by having boards who rubber stamp cautious executive decisions, discourage open dialogue, and keep electing the same people year after year after year.
__________________
All ambitions are lawful except those which climb upward on the miseries or credulities of mankind. ~ Joseph Conrad
A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right. ~ Thomas Paine
Don't let anyone tell you that your dreams can't come true. They are only afraid that theirs won't and yours will. ~ Robert Evans
The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. ~ George Orwell, 1984.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 03-08-2010, 07:52 AM
Hickory Hill Hoff's Avatar
Hickory Hill Hoff Hickory Hill Hoff is offline
Newmarket
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: the "Sand Flats"
Posts: 6,903
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by tector
2001 and 2005 were very cold at Belmont.

So was 1990
__________________
"Change can be good, but constant change shows no direction"

http://www.hickoryhillhoff.blogspot.com/
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 03-08-2010, 08:01 AM
freddymo freddymo is offline
Belmont Park
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 7,091
Default

I hope Padua wins the Derby this year. Then Satish can really go Hog Wild
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 03-08-2010, 09:59 AM
GenuineRisk's Avatar
GenuineRisk GenuineRisk is offline
Atlantic City Race Course
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 4,986
Default

Satish is one of the figures profiled in Glenye Cain's The Home Run Horse, which I just finished. Entertaining read. Came out in 2004. It was fun looking up some of the horses mentioned in the book that were sold at auction in 2003 and finding out what they did on the track, if anything.
__________________
Gentlemen! We're burning daylight! Riders up! -Bill Murray
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 03-10-2010, 06:23 PM
Kasept's Avatar
Kasept Kasept is offline
Steve Byk
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Greenwich, NY
Posts: 44,401
Default

Sanan: Listen to Message, Understand Context
By Tom LaMarra

Updated: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 10:08 AM
Posted: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 8:44 AM

Breeders’ Cup board member Satish Sanan said March 9 he has reached out to several industry officials he may have offended with comments made on a satellite radio program, but it’s time to move on and work to improve the economics for Thoroughbred racing.

Sanan, on the March 2 edition of “At the Races With Steve Byk” on SIRIUS/XM, offered his views on the ongoing efforts by Breeders’ Cup to hammer out a plan for future host sites of the World Championships. Sanan, in response to questions from callers, shed some light on what Cup officials are considering and why in the context of a strategic plan.

Sanan said he “made peace with two or three industry constituents,” including the heads of Churchill Downs Inc. and the New York Racing Association.

“I wear my passion on my sleeve,” said Sanan, a longtime racing fan who has invested about $150 million as a Thoroughbred owner and breeder. “I’m candid, and when I’m too passionate, my words come in the way of my message. People really need to listen to the message I’m trying to convey.

“Nobody wants this industry to succeed more than I do.”
__________________
All ambitions are lawful except those which climb upward on the miseries or credulities of mankind. ~ Joseph Conrad
A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right. ~ Thomas Paine
Don't let anyone tell you that your dreams can't come true. They are only afraid that theirs won't and yours will. ~ Robert Evans
The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. ~ George Orwell, 1984.
Reply With Quote
Reply



Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:36 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.