Preference on healthcare reform issue

[AeWingnut]

of course I voted to not change anything because the people that would be doing the "change" are not our friends.

but the things I would like changed are:

paying for people that are here illegally
tort reform and
I would like to keep the gubment from taxing the heck out of my healthcare benefits.

again - look who is in office now
I guess that is why they are in a hurry to make a change before the people vote. However, the majority of 2008 registered voters are dems (probably some dead ones and other illegals) so I don't know if it will make too much of a difference.

[Riot]

of course I voted to not change anything because the people that would be doing the "change" are not our friends.

What do you think "they" are? Enemies? Who is "our"?

but the things I would like changed are:
paying for people that are here illegally
tort reform and
I would like to keep the gubment from taxing the heck out of my healthcare benefits.

Done.
Done.
Done.
If the Senate bill is the basis for reconciliation.

Aren't you happy now?

What do you think about your health insurance premium costs going up 10-25% within this next year? You can afford that easy, right?

again - look who is in office now
I guess that is why they are in a hurry to make a change before the people vote. However, the majority of 2008 registered voters are dems (probably some dead ones and other illegals) so I don't know if it will make too much of a difference.

I like who is in office now. Voted for him.

Your vague accusation of fraud in the 2008 election is interesting. Although completely unsubstantiable. Got anything factual on that? And tell me what you thought of 2000?

The people do get to vote in 2012. Can't wait. Hopefully they will be Americans with excellent healthcare, and there will be 30 million less uninsured Americans voting than we are paying for now.

Oh, yeah, BTW, this is funny (although about financial reform): www.funnyordie.com the Presidents

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

What do you think "they" are? Enemies? Who is "our"?



Done.
Done.
Done.
If the Senate bill is the basis for reconciliation.

Aren't you happy now?

What do you think about your health insurance premium costs going up 10-25% within this next year? You can afford that easy, right?



I like who is in office now. Voted for him.

Your vague accusation of fraud in the 2008 election is interesting. Although completely unsubstantiable. Got anything factual on that? And tell me what you thought of 2000?

The people do get to vote in 2012. Can't wait. Hopefully they will be Americans with excellent healthcare, and there will be 30 million less uninsured Americans voting than we are paying for now.

Oh, yeah, BTW, this is funny (although about financial reform): www.funnyordie.com the Presidents

i'm thinking aewing meant before voting this fall, when the dems may lose their majority.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i'm thinking aewing meant before voting this fall, when the dems may lose their majority.

I am sorta expecting a last, hysterical flailing at healthcare reform by the GOP, but McConnell has been saying for 2 days that the GOP will jump to basing the 2010 campaign on "they voted for healthcare reform gasp!"

This is interesting about the GOP's planned tactics this fall (I'm sure the Dems have their own version):

http://www.politico.com/

[2MinsToPost]

walgreens and cvs on every street corner

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by Riot

What do you think "they" are? Enemies? Who is "our"?

Yes, the dems are the enemy of the American people whether the American people realize it yet or not.

Originally Posted by Riot

Done.
Done.
Done.
If the Senate bill is the basis for reconciliation.

Aren't you happy now?

< paying for people here illegally will be changed alright. They will make it legal for them to be here and still bleed us dry
< tort reform is in the bill? not from what NPR has reported.
< ? I won't have any health insurance or I won't be taxed to pay for dead beats?

happy? we'll see

Originally Posted by Riot

What do you think about your health insurance premium costs going up 10-25% within this next year? You can afford that easy, right?

I know the taxes on my health insurance is going to be between $4 to 5k more when they allow the Bush tax cuts to expire.

Originally Posted by Riot

I like who is in office now. Voted for him.

yeah but you liked Carter.

Originally Posted by Riot

Your vague accusation of fraud in the 2008 election is interesting. Although completely unsubstantiable. Got anything factual on that? And tell me what you thought of 2000?

my accusation of fraud is based on the people ACORN registered and there are other examples but we only report voter fraud if a republican wins.

as far as my take on what happened in 2000, I assume you mean the Florida thing. Despite an attempt to stuff the ballot box they fouled it up completely and still lost. Voting machines are designed for 1 ballot at a time. you get dimpled and hanging chads when you try to run more than 1 through the machine or whatever they used. and when that failed they tried to change the rules then accused the court of selecting Bush when all they did was refuse a rule change.

But i didn't vote for Bush - he was too liberal

Originally Posted by Riot

The people do get to vote in 2012. Can't wait. Hopefully they will be Americans with excellent healthcare, and there will be 30 million less uninsured Americans voting than we are paying for now.

The people get to vote every year. I want the dems to lose the majority.

100% of the people I work with are against reform and 75% are against it nation wide. You think it is expensive now - wait until it is free.
are all those people that didn't choose to buy health insurance going to like paying for it instead of driving a new car or going on trips every vacation?

yeah there are all kinds of reasons but I don't feel like addressing portability etc


I don't see how they can get this reform past the supreme court <-- btw this is all FDR's fault. If he didn't tax the crap out of people companies wouldn't have to offer health insurance as an incentive to work for them and prices would have been controlled through the free market

Originally Posted by Riot

Oh, yeah, BTW, this is funny (although about financial reform): www.funnyordie.com the Presidents

maybe later. I've already spent too much time talking to people that don't care to listen.

[Crown@club]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

Quote:
Originally Posted by Riot
What do you think "they" are? Enemies? Who is "our"?


Yes, the dems are the enemy of the American people whether the American people realize it yet or not.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Riot

Done.
Done.
Done.
If the Senate bill is the basis for reconciliation.

Aren't you happy now?




< paying for people here illegally will be changed alright. They will make it legal for them to be here and still bleed us dry
< tort reform is in the bill? not from what NPR has reported.
< ? I won't have any health insurance or I won't be taxed to pay for dead beats?

happy? we'll see


Quote:
Originally Posted by Riot
What do you think about your health insurance premium costs going up 10-25% within this next year? You can afford that easy, right?



I know the taxes on my health insurance is going to be between $4 to 5k more when they allow the Bush tax cuts to expire.



Quote:
Originally Posted by Riot
I like who is in office now. Voted for him.



yeah but you liked Carter.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Riot
Your vague accusation of fraud in the 2008 election is interesting. Although completely unsubstantiable. Got anything factual on that? And tell me what you thought of 2000?



my accusation of fraud is based on the people ACORN registered and there are other examples but we only report voter fraud if a republican wins.

as far as my take on what happened in 2000, I assume you mean the Florida thing. Despite an attempt to stuff the ballot box they fouled it up completely and still lost. Voting machines are designed for 1 ballot at a time. you get dimpled and hanging chads when you try to run more than 1 through the machine or whatever they used. and when that failed they tried to change the rules then accused the court of selecting Bush when all they did was refuse a rule change.

But i didn't vote for Bush - he was too liberal



Quote:
Originally Posted by Riot
The people do get to vote in 2012. Can't wait. Hopefully they will be Americans with excellent healthcare, and there will be 30 million less uninsured Americans voting than we are paying for now.




The people get to vote every year. I want the dems to lose the majority.

100% of the people I work with are against reform and 75% are against it nation wide. You think it is expensive now - wait until it is free.
are all those people that didn't choose to buy health insurance going to like paying for it instead of driving a new car or going on trips every vacation?

yeah there are all kinds of reasons but I don't feel like addressing portability etc


I don't see how they can get this reform past the supreme court <-- btw this is all FDR's fault. If he didn't tax the crap out of people companies wouldn't have to offer health insurance as an incentive to work for them and prices would have been controlled through the free market






Quote:
Originally Posted by Riot
Oh, yeah, BTW, this is funny (although about financial reform): www.funnyordie.com the Presidents



maybe later. I've already spent too much time talking to people that don't care to listen..

WOW!!!!! Finally someone knows how to split up a conversation and keep the name on each quote reply.

Carry on!!!!

[Riot]

Yes, the dems are the enemy of the American people whether the American people realize it yet or not.

Get your gun! Run in fear for the hills! Demand to see the Kenyan birth certificate of our non-American President!

yeah but you liked Carter.

Actually, no. I didn't like Carter. And I've said so on this board. Several times. Kinda tired of explaining it to you po' folk who can' read

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by Riot

Actually, no. I didn't like Carter. And I've said so on this board. Several times. Kinda tired of explaining it to you po' folk who can' read

how can you like Obama and not like Carter when Obama is Carter to the power of 10?

[AeWingnut]

Tonight, Barack Obama will host ten House Democrats who voted against the health care bill in November at the White House; he's obviously trying to persuade them to switch their votes to yes. One of the ten is Jim Matheson of Utah. The White House just sent out a press release announcing that today President Obama nominated Matheson's brother Scott M. Matheson, Jr. to the United States Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit.

“Scott Matheson is a distinguished candidate for the Tenth Circuit court,” President Obama said. “Both his legal and academic credentials are impressive and his commitment to judicial integrity is unwavering. I am honored to nominate this lifelong Utahn to the federal bench.”

Scott M. Matheson, Jr.: Nominee for the United States Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit
Scott M. Matheson currently holds the Hugh B. Brown Presidential Endowed Chair at the S.J. Quinney College of Law, University of Utah, where he has been a member of the faculty since 1985. He served as Dean of the Law School from 1998 to 2006. He also taught First Amendment Law at Harvard University’s Kennedy School of Government from 1989 to 1990.

While on public service leave from the University of Utah from 1993 to 1997, Matheson served as United States Attorney for the District of Utah. In 2007, he was appointed by Governor Jon Huntsman to chair the Utah Mine Safety Commission. He also worked as a Deputy County Attorney for Salt Lake County from 1988 to 1989. Prior to joining the University faculty, Matheson was an associate attorney from 1981 to 1985 at Williams & Connolly LLP in Washington, D.C.

Matheson was born and raised in Utah and is a sixth generation Utahn. He received an A.B. from Stanford University in 1975, an M.A. from Oxford University, where he was a Rhodes Scholar, and a J.D. from Yale Law School in 1980.

So, Scott Matheson appears to have the credentials to be a judge, but was his nomination used to buy off his brother's vote?



Consider Congressman Matheson's record on the health care bill. He voted against the bill in the Energy and Commerce Committee back in July and again when it passed the House in November. But now he's "undecided" on ramming the bill through Congress. "The Congressman is looking for development of bipartisan consensus," Matheson's press secretary Alyson Heyrend wrote to THE WEEKLY STANDARD on February 22. "It’s too early to know if that will occur." Asked if one could infer that if no Republican votes in favor of the bill (i.e. if a bipartisan consensus is not reached) then Rep. Matheson would vote no, Heyrend replied: "I would not infer anything. I’d wait to see what develops, starting with the health care summit on Thursday."

The timing of this nomination looks suspicious, especially in light of Democratic Congressman Joe Sestak's claim that he was offered a federal job not to run against Arlen Specter in the Pennsylvania primary. Many speculated that Sestak, a former admiral, was offered the Secretary of the Navy job.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

how can you like Obama and not like Carter when Obama is Carter to the power of 10?

What a ridiculously inaccurate statement.

[miraja2]

The options here are essentially:

1) Complete crap
2) Nearly-complete crap
3) Nearly-complete crap poorly disguised as something that isn't crap.

4) Single-payer

[SOREHOOF]

Originally Posted by Riot

What do you think "they" are? Enemies? Who is "our"?



Done.
Done.
Done.
If the Senate bill is the basis for reconciliation.

If the house passes the Senate Bill there is no need for "reconciliation". It goes straight to Obama for his lefty signature. Do you understand how this all works? That is why the fight in the house is so crucial. If they make CHANGES to the bill, it goes back to the Senate for a new vote. Then and only then does "reconciliation" rear it's ugly head.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

If the house passes the Senate Bill there is no need for "reconciliation". It goes straight to Obama for his lefty signature. Do you understand how this all works? That is why the fight in the house is so crucial. If they make CHANGES to the bill, it goes back to the Senate for a new vote. Then and only then does "reconciliation" rear it's ugly head.

exactly. obama and pelosi are working the house, promising to make any changes they want if they just trust them, and vote for the bill as is. lol if their lips move, a pol is lying.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...LEFTTopOpinion


President Obama may wind up just signing the Senate bill into law no changes whatsoever -- preserving some of the most egregious elements that made the Senate bill such a public lightning rod.

These include not just the "Cornhusker Kickback," "Louisiana Purchase" and other special-interest deals rolled into the Senate bill last December to buy wavering Democratic votes. Democrats also would have to explain all over again why 800,000 seniors in Florida will be spared Medicare Advantage cuts, while those elsewhere won't.


Meanwhile, President Obama met with 20 undecided House Democrats yesterday in private. He urged them to put aside their political concerns and vote for the Senate bill in the interests of duty and country. "It's always a bad sign when a chief executive tells members of Congress of his own party to ignore the politics," says presidential historian Al Felzenberg. "It usually means he's got a bad product."