Stronach reneges on SA surface change..

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Scav

Which is?

If everything is more expensive(which it is) and the urse structure is poor the average industry horse can not reside in the state and the average operation like you guys cant be enticed to commence an operation in the state. PLUS the average industry operation that wishes to stay in the business is forced to move shop to a more cost effective environment.

Of course the elite operations that reside/race in the state that don't really have ANY P&L issues like a Juddemonte, Moss, Wygod, etc can stay there.

Scavs, regular race horses can not race in Ca.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by freddymo

If everything is more expensive(which it is) and the urse structure is poor the average industry horse can not reside in the state and the average operation like you guys cant be enticed to commence an operation in the state. PLUS the average industry operation that wishes to stay in the business is forced to move shop to a more cost effective environment.

Of course the elite operations that reside/race in the state that don't really have ANY P&L issues like a Juddemonte, Moss, Wygod, etc can stay there.

Scavs, regular race horses can not race in Ca.

There purse structure is poor based on what you are running against, but they still pay out decent money. Maidens are still 45k....

They just don't spread it out like Pa does, where maidens are running for 40k, and 5 claimers are running for 18k. Its the 10 claimers only running for 13k that is the issue, those horses run for 24k in Pa

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Scav

There purse structure is poor based on what you are running against, but they still pay out decent money. Maidens are still 45k....

They just don't spread it out like Pa does, where maidens are running for 40k, and 5 claimers are running for 18k. Its the 10 claimers only running for 13k that is the issue, those horses run for 24k in Pa

So if the MDN SL which are not the issue are 40k and the 10k claimers are 14k what do you do with your 10k claimer. Mexican slaughter house? Ship it for 3k east? Or sell it for 4k and realize that unless you get dead lucky with a real horse you cant have a decent modest 3 to 7 horse stable because once you arent a MDN SPL or significant Allowance type you cant possibly survive the 30% vig for racing in Ca.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by freddymo

So if the MDN SL which are not the issue are 40k and the 10k claimers are 14k what do you do with your 10k claimer. Mexican slaughter house? Ship it for 3k east? Or sell it for 4k and realize that unless you get dead lucky with a real horse you cant have a decent modest 3 to 7 horse stable because once you arent a MDN SPL or significant Allowance type you cant possibly survive the 30% vig for racing in Ca.

send it to golden gate.or mike mitchell..it will run huge overnite 3 classes over its head

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

send it to golden gate.or mike mitchell..it will run huge overnite 3 classes over its head

GG 8k claimer go for 10k.Alert the media you have no reason to gamble in racing when it costs 3k a month (min) and you need to win 5 races a year and place 5 times to lose money. Your horse ran ten times finished first or second in all and you might have won a few thousand dollars..

[Scav]

Originally Posted by freddymo

GG 8k claimer go for 10k.Alert the media you have no reason to gamble in racing when it costs 3k a month (min) and you need to win 5 races a year and place 5 times to lose money. Your horse ran ten times finished first or second in all and you might have won a few thousand dollars..

It is like there everywhere though Freddy. Newsflash, this isn't an easy game to make money, hell, if you can run at a 20% loss you are feeling really good about things.

Here is another thing to think about, and it will help make your point, but I don't think people realize that before you even see that win purse, you are hit for 10% for the jock and you owe your trainer 10-12%. So when you win that maiden claimer at Philly for 20k, you really only see 9600, or 48% of the purse.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Scav

It is like there everywhere though Freddy. Newsflash, this isn't an easy game to make money, hell, if you can run at a 20% loss you are feeling really good about things.

Here is another thing to think about, and it will help make your point, but I don't think people realize that before you even see that win purse, you are hit for 10% for the jock and you owe your trainer 10-12%. So when you win that maiden claimer at Philly for 20k, you really only see 9600, or 48% of the purse.

The point is not how tough it is the point is the premium to race in Ca. The vig (30%) makes the equation unbearble for development of ownership

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by freddymo

GG 8k claimer go for 10k.Alert the media you have no reason to gamble in racing when it costs 3k a month (min) and you need to win 5 races a year and place 5 times to lose money. Your horse ran ten times finished first or second in all and you might have won a few thousand dollars..

ok bulldoze the whole place..

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

ok bulldoze the whole place..

AGREED

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

ok bulldoze the whole place..

If by "the whole place" you mean "California", you may find a lot of people who agree with you.

[richard]

Originally Posted by freddymo

GG 8k claimer go for 10k.Alert the media you have no reason to gamble in racing when it costs 3k a month (min) and you need to win 5 races a year and place 5 times to lose money. Your horse ran ten times finished first or second in all and you might have won a few thousand dollars..

I agree that lower level purse money should be increased a lot. The BC I watch on tv so I have no preference .

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Scav

There purse structure is poor based on what you are running against, but they still pay out decent money. Maidens are still 45k....

They just don't spread it out like Pa does, where maidens are running for 40k, and 5 claimers are running for 18k. Its the 10 claimers only running for 13k that is the issue, those horses run for 24k in Pa

It is more expensive to run a business in CA than just about anywhere. The labor laws force you to carry more employees, the insurance, cost of living, etc drives the prices of everything up.