CBO report on the stimulus

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Not everyone without insurance is poor, or lazy, or fat. Many are good, hardworking people, who do the right thing, and pay their way for healthcare. And sell their house to pay their way. Until they are rendered beyond broke by healthcare costs, and can't pay any more.

Healthcare in the US is ridiculously expensive (the entire system), it's getting worse, quite acutely, people are suffering, and that is NOT what the United States of America should allow IMO.

You seem to have the attitude of "every man for himself. But I'll throw you a life preserver if you fall overboard".

I can't agree with it. I want to prevent them falling overboard in the first place, and if they do, I think they deserve a boat to pick them out of the water, not just a life preserver to hang on to.
And, if your heart scan had showed a little arrythmia (because you're a runner) you'd be just as healthy as you are today, but you wouldn't have that insurance at that cost.

If they are drunk, acting stupid, hanging over the side of the boat who's fault is it when they go into the water? We are an obese nation and it's mainly caused by over eating and bad diet choices not glandular as the obese would like to have you believe. I have no problem w/you or anyone else subsidizing insurance but give me the option to opt out. I'm tired and have paid enough taxes including for public schools though I've never attended one and have no children. It would be nice to have the kids/welfare recipients mow my lawn and shovel the driveway but that's just a dream and would be too fair

[dellinger63]

and if we were REALLY concerned with healthcare cigs would be illegal not just taxed! Just as if we were REALLY concerned with jobs and education illegals would be gone! But NO both sides want their legal amigo's votes.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

and if we were REALLY concerned with healthcare cigs would be illegal not just taxed! Just as if we were REALLY concerned with jobs and education illegals would be gone! But NO both sides want their legal amigos votes.

Steve..it's YOU right wingers...don't tell me about neo-cons who fight seat belt laws, helmet laws, gun laws..you know..stuf that stops people from getting hurt. You want all this freedom of everything, then suck it up and pay for that right.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

and if we were REALLY concerned with healthcare cigs would be illegal not just taxed! Just as if we were REALLY concerned with jobs and education illegals would be gone! But NO both sides want their legal amigo's votes.

If we were REALLY concerned with healthcare, our entire country would be single payer, with all citizens valued and treated equally within the healthcare system.

Dell - what do you think of this tale?

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/02...better-system/

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

If we were REALLY concerned with healthcare, our entire country would be single payer, with all citizens valued and treated equally within the healthcare system.

Dell - what do you think of this tale?

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/02...better-system/

I think it's horrible but she’s terribly naive to think the government would do a better job. I've told you before about my friend Lester who lost his leg (just above the knee) in Viet Nam yet has to report to the VA every few years to prove he's still disabled? Efficiency at its best. Of course I guess the leg might grow back. lol

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

If they are drunk, acting stupid who's fault is it when they go into the water? We are an obese nation and it's mainly caused by over eating and bad diet choices not glandular as the obese would like to have you believe. I have no problem w/you or anyone else subsidizing insurance but give me the option to opt out. I'm tired and have paid enough taxes including for public schools though I've never attended one and have no children. It would be nice to have the kids/welfare recipients mow my lawn and shovel the driveway but that's just a dream and would be too fair

posting on derby trail...

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

If they are drunk, acting stupid, hanging over the side of the boat who's fault is it when they go into the water?

What if it's a little 12-year-old girl walking the deck, and the boat rolls, throwing her over the side with leukemia?

We do chemotherapy only if she's poor? Add the bone marrow transplant if her parents have a house to sell to raise the dough (they are now homeless as a family but hey, the healthcare is paid for), or throw out all the stops if she happens to come from a family with few financial concerns?

You want to be on that death panel?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

What if it's a little 12-year-old girl walking the deck, and the boat rolls, throwing her over the side with leukemia?

We do chemotherapy only if she's poor? Add the bone marrow transplant if her parents have a house to sell to raise the dough (they are now homeless as a family but hey, the healthcare is paid for), or throw out all the stops if she happens to come from a family with few financial concerns?

You want to be on that death panel?

County Hospitals, www.shrinershospital.org, Ronald McDonald House etc etc. No need for a death panel unless this gets passed. See England's example of patients drinking from flower vases, sitting in their own waste for a preview of what would be; only on a much larger scale.