Big $ MTH "uber meet" experiment moving forward

DaTruth · #1 02-26-2010, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

Future of racing..like it or not

Less racing, but presumably of higher qualty. No complaints here.

rpncaine · #2 02-26-2010, 11:19 AM

Yeah, if they can coordinate boutique meets accross the country so one is winding down and another is coming up, that would be cool.
Satish could work out the details as $1 year Commish!

freddymo · #3 02-26-2010, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by DaTruth

Less racing, but presumably of higher qualty. No complaints here.

If an allowance race is going to be carded with a 75k purse, MDN SPL at 75, and 50k claimers 75k you are going to see a bunch of nice races. Plus maybe some people will come to NJ vs. WB.. I can't see people running to poly in Canada when they wil have dirt and grass on the Jersey shore in JULY.

GoIrish · #4 02-26-2010, 11:41 AM

I can live with Fri-Sun only since those are the days I go to the track anyway. I'm always skeptical of anything this screwed up state proposes however. I need to hear more opinions from better informed people.

jms62 · #5 02-26-2010, 12:44 PM

I think it is a wonderful idea.

The Indomitable DrugS · #6 02-26-2010, 12:59 PM

It would figure to weaken Saratoga's cards if it runs through labor day.

VOL JACK · #7 02-26-2010, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

It would figure to weaken Saratoga's cards if it runs through labor day.

I think that is the objective.

The Indomitable DrugS · #8 02-26-2010, 01:14 PM

In other words .... we can look forward to MUCH better weekend racing cards in Jersey .. and more NY breds and turf sprints at Saratoga? ... I dunno if that's the greatest of trade offs.

Scav · #9 03-09-2010, 07:55 AM

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...monmouth-dates

Most important thing I grabbed from the article was the last sentence

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Total handle would probably have to double to support purses.

Yeah, and where is that gonna come from. Whoa

johnny pinwheel · #10 03-09-2010, 08:01 AM

you are right on. this might help but double the handle? that seems like pie in the sky at this time. are they accounting for losing some every day bettors and horsemen? this will be a better product but i highly doubt they will double the handle or even come close to that. plus, all the racing time they lose. people are worried (at other venues)but i think other tracks will attract some of their horses. people only make money when they run thier horses. but, then again this may be the way the industry is going, seeing that they are all losing, they got to try something which is a start. if it does work out, other states will have to look at this. but double the handle in this economy with all the gambling places.....c'mon

randallscott35 · #11 03-09-2010, 08:02 AM

Lowering the takeout is what needs to be done across the board. The dirty little secret is that the pretty horses don't run around in circles unless they are bet on.

freddymo · #12 03-09-2010, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...monmouth-dates

Most important thing I grabbed from the article was the last sentence

Yeah, and where is that gonna come from. Whoa

Doubling the handle will be tough but NOT impossible.. A lot of marketing needs to be done and horseman have to help promote the sport(monmouth)..It's a opportunity to save racing and make it significant 50 days a year.. They don't have to have more then one 1 mil day a week.. I think this will hurt AP and WB hardest not SPA.. The bigger NY shops have always used the Monmouth for the B team so that wont change.. Also the big NY owners arent going to care if there Mdn Spl is 56k at Spa and Monmouth's is 81k. They will continue to race their best in SPA anyway.. I do think AP and WB will have their producted dug into.

MaTH716 · #13 03-09-2010, 08:44 AM

You would think that the purse money would draw more (and better) horses to the track resulting in fuller fields. Maybe they could even draw some A/E lists for races and in the event of bad weather, you wouldn't be stuck with the unbetable 3-4 horse races seen unfortunately way to much down there. Overall the racing product will be better and you would think that would lead to better betting opportunities as well. I don't think the handle will be the problem.

freddymo · #14 03-09-2010, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716

You would think that the purse money would draw more (and better) horses to the track resulting in fuller fields. Maybe they could even draw some A/E lists for races and in the event of bad weather, you wouldn't be stuck with the unbetable 3-4 horse races seen unfortunately way to much down there. Overall the racing product will be better and you would think that would lead to better betting opportunities as well. I don't think the handle will be the problem.

For the fans its a great concept..I think it ultimately makes NY horseman and NY based operations significantly stronger. Who do you think will be winning these pots? I have a hunch every sharp trainer will have an eye in the condition book and most won't be NJ trainers. Again, for usfan its great news, I really don't care about the viablity of NJ racing or its horseman, I just care about the racing.

Scav · #15 03-09-2010, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

For the fans its a great concept..I think it ultimately makes NY horseman and NY based operations significantly stronger. Who do you think will be winning these pots? I have a hunch every sharp trainer will have an eye in the condition book and most won't be NJ trainers. Again, for usfan its great news, I really don't care about the viablity of NJ racing or its horseman, I just care about the racing.

You better step up your handle to support NJ Racing.....

freddymo · #16 03-09-2010, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav

You better step up your handle to support NJ Racing.....

Monmouth is unreal especially busy. It's just a sweet place to go, as is AP. their most likely will be a deal with the casinos at some point. I like the little 21 day fall meet shipping over to Monmouth a lot.. There was no point to the Meadowlands TB meet (although the turf course was cool). The area is empty in the fall and those will be nice dates and days to watch some racing live. Those are good races because you will still have a bunch of NY based B teamers around and they still race for OK money

Scav · #17 03-09-2010, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

Doubling the handle will be tough but NOT impossible.. A lot of marketing needs to be done and horseman have to help promote the sport(monmouth)..It's a opportunity to save racing and make it significant 50 days a year.. They don't have to have more then one 1 mil day a week.. I think this will hurt AP and WB hardest not SPA.. The bigger NY shops have always used the Monmouth for the B team so that wont change.. Also the big NY owners arent going to care if there Mdn Spl is 56k at Spa and Monmouth's is 81k. They will continue to race their best in SPA anyway.. I do think AP and WB will have their producted dug into.

AP is already screwed this year, they have supposed lost two trainers (Donnie Von Hemel and Steve Hobby) which is about 45-50 horses, and Hector Magana is now running a training farm down in Ocala.

Bring on the Golden Gate type racing, I am all for it.

freddymo · #18 03-09-2010, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav

AP is already screwed this year, they have supposed lost two trainers (Donnie Von Hemel and Steve Hobby) which is about 45-50 horses, and Hector Magana is now running a training farm down in Ocala.

Bring on the Golden Gate type racing, I am all for it.

It can't be good news for AP or WB.. WB's pots are twice AP's so AP now needs to reinvent its place in Summer racing..

Scav · #19 03-09-2010, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

It can't be good news for AP or WB.. WB's pots are twice AP's so AP now needs to reinvent its place in Summer racing..

Woobine will be fine, 75k maidens and there is even more money being put into the kiddy there. Nowhere in North America will you find that unless you have a PA bred!

freddymo · #20 03-09-2010, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav

Woobine will be fine, 75k maidens and there is even more money being put into the kiddy there. Nowhere in North America will you find that unless you have a PA bred!

But its rubber and some guys will now choose dirt and 75k to commence careers.. I do agree 75k will keep everyone plenty happy. The point is now there is a dirt option at the same price point. Chuck likes the shore every since whaling has been outlawed, he can bring sun screen on and be back for last few..Its onlylike 2 miles from beach if that