Invasor, Excitement?

[todko]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Yep, Bernardini is slow alright. It has been ALL luck that he won the Preakness, Jim Dandy, Withers, and Travers. It was all luck that he ran his last three races with -TG numbers and 113-116 BSFs. It was all luck that he ran one of the fastest times ever in the Travers and ran sub 155 in the Preakness. No, Bluegrass Cat couldn't have gotten injured because he was trying so hard to keep up with Bernardini. That couldn't possibly be a reason. Bluegrass Cat would have definitely beat him if he wasn't injured in the Travers. Yep...

And all of those other horses are allowance horses that Bernardini ran against in the Travers too. High Cotton is definitely an allowance horse...yep. As is Dr. Pleasure, Hesanoldsalt, and Minister's Bid. Shame on Pletcher, Zito, and Ward for even putting those horses in that race.

If you're really that high on speed figures you might believe in Bernardini. Next time you go to the track -- bet on speed figures. Don't look at anything else. Let me know if you come home with any money.

Bluegrass Cat wore front wraps for the first time in the Travers. He had issues before the race. It might not be on the pps, but look at the tapes. Any horse that has run like he has run in GI races can't cut better than a :48+ and 1:12+? He was not the same BC than ran in the Derby and afterward we found that out. Lucky he's alive. He normally wouldn't be injured trying to keep up with a :48+ half and a nearly 1:13 6f call. He was very capable of keeping up with those fractions given normal health.

It's not like Bernardini was Ghostzapper and Bluegrass Cat blew out a pastern trying to keep up with a phenomenal pace.

A healthy BC would have been well ahead of Bernardini.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by todko

If you're really that high on speed figures you might believe in Bernardini. Next time you go to the track -- bet on speed figures. Don't look at anything else. Let me know if you come home with any money.

Bluegrass Cat wore front wraps for the first time in the Travers. He had issues before the race. It might not be on the pps, but look at the tapes. Any horse that has run like he has run in GI races can't cut better than a :48+ and 1:12+? He was not the same BC than ran in the Derby and afterward we found that out. Lucky he's alive. He normally wouldn't be injured trying to keep up with a :48+ half and a nearly 1:13 6f call. He was very capable of keeping up with those fractions given normal health.

It's not like Bernardini was Ghostzapper and Bluegrass Cat blew out a pastern trying to keep up with a phenomenal pace.

A healthy BC would have been well ahead of Bernardini.

Ahah, you caught that, BC had front wraps on. He probably did have issues, but he broke the leg by running in the race against a superior animal.

You obviously didn't watch Bernardini's Preakness when he sat off the pace of a sub 47 half mile and made a brillant move around the far turn. Why run any faster than you have to? I think Bernardini's best races are going to be those in which he sits off of the pace, and blows by horses, like he did in the Preakness. He found himself on the lead in the Jim Dandy and the Travers because no one else took it. His final time for the Travers was still very fast.

Anyway, I'm not excessively big on BSFs. I use them with a red flag because they can be biased. However, when a horse consistently puts up those kind of numbers, he is the real deal. The numbers also show that the horse is improving. A lot of people have had a lot of luck using the numbers and sheets.

I personally like watching the replays and looking at the horses in the post parade when betting. Bernardini is the real deal. In watching his races, you can see that he is improving with every start, from his 4th place in his maiden to his Travers. He beat those same horses that he beat by nine lengths in the Jim Dandy, by about 15 lenghts in the Travers. It was also Bernardini's first race going a mile and a quarter. I watch the races, and what I see is a horse with extraordinary talent.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by todko

If you're really that high on speed figures you might believe in Bernardini. Next time you go to the track -- bet on speed figures. Don't look at anything else. Let me know if you come home with any money.

Bluegrass Cat wore front wraps for the first time in the Travers. He had issues before the race. It might not be on the pps, but look at the tapes. Any horse that has run like he has run in GI races can't cut better than a :48+ and 1:12+? He was not the same BC than ran in the Derby and afterward we found that out. Lucky he's alive. He normally wouldn't be injured trying to keep up with a :48+ half and a nearly 1:13 6f call. He was very capable of keeping up with those fractions given normal health.

It's not like Bernardini was Ghostzapper and Bluegrass Cat blew out a pastern trying to keep up with a phenomenal pace.

A healthy BC would have been well ahead of Bernardini.

Why compare Ghostzapper and Bernardini now? Bernardini isn't done racing. You don't know what he will become. He could be another overhyped horse, or he could be the next superhorse. From what I have seen, I am banking on the latter. Even if the older horses do beat him...Secretariat, Spectacular Bid, and Affirmed even got beat by older as 3 yos. However, if he beats these horse in the JCGC and BCC, I don't think that there are too many people that are going to leave him off their greatest of all time lists. He'll definitely be on mine.