Invasor, Excitement?

[Gander]

How do you know hes not a super horse? What has he ever done to put any doubts in your head? While I agree he hasnt been tested, its not his fault and that certainly isnt a flaw. Hes just been that much better than the horses he has been running against. Whos to say how super he'll be. What more could Bernardini have done up to this point? I really dont get it? Did you want him to stop while in midstretch, take a crap and sprint on 2 legs to the wire?

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Gander

How do you know hes not a super horse? What has he ever done to put any doubts in your head? While I agree he hasnt been tested, its not his fault and that certainly isnt a flaw. Hes just been that much better than the horses he has been running against. Whos to say how super he'll be. What more could Bernardini have done up to this point? I really dont get it? Did you want him to stop while in midstretch, take a crap and sprint on 2 legs to the wire?

I agree....

[todko]

Originally Posted by Gander

How do you know hes not a super horse? What has he ever done to put any doubts in your head? While I agree he hasnt been tested, its not his fault and that certainly isnt a flaw. Hes just been that much better than the horses he has been running against. Whos to say how super he'll be. What more could Bernardini have done up to this point? I really dont get it? Did you want him to stop while in midstretch, take a crap and sprint on 2 legs to the wire?

Gander,

Just look at the cold hard facts, he's beaten nobody in average times, he's done nothing to justify the "superhorse" label he has received. Don't tell me about Grade I wins either -- Giacomo won a bigger race than Bernardini, Smarty won more impressively without a rest, Birdstone took down the Belmont and then the Travers. None were called "superhorse". Why should Bernardini be?

To me, and he may prove me wrong (but I doubt it), he's a product of the press hoping to move away from Barbaro.

A "superhorse" proves it against tough company. Ghostzapper vs. Roses In May or St. Liam cutting a 1 1/4 in 1:59 and change.

Bernardini may get a free ride all the way. He surely doesn't have any Ghostzapper, Roses In May, or St. Liam to run against even if he gets past Invasor.

He's just a lucky horse in the right place at the right time -- just like Giacomo was.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by todko

He's just a lucky horse in the right place at the right time -- just like Giacomo was.

I think this is known as posting for a reaction. This is your 8th post here...perhaps proving you are NOT a troll would be a great idea before trolling.

[boswd]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I think this is known as posting for a reaction. This is your 8th post here...perhaps proving you are NOT a troll would be a great idea before trolling.

though I don't even remotly agree with what TODKO has stated, he is one of those who thinks the industry is truly biased in favor of the East Coast and Ny in particular, I can defintly vouch that he is not a Troll. I know him from the Del Mar site.

[todko]

Originally Posted by boswd

though I don't even remotly agree with what TODKO has stated, he is one of those who thinks the industry is truly biased in favor of the East Coast and Ny in particular, I can defintly vouch that he is not a Troll. I know him from the Del Mar site.

New York racing is among the finest in the nation. Delaware Park has some good races and is a fair track to play. I have nothing against East Coast racing. I routinely bet Delaware and Colonial. Belmont also.

What bothers me is the bias of the press, notably the DRF. The written press seems biased to the east while the television press (TVG, HRTV) are biased to the west coast. It's tough to see a big race on hold while TVG shows the post parade at Fairplex.

[boswd]

Originally Posted by todko

New York racing is among the finest in the nation. Delaware Park has some good races and is a fair track to play. I have nothing against East Coast racing. I routinely bet Delaware and Colonial. Belmont also.

What bothers me is the bias of the press, notably the DRF. The written press seems biased to the east while the television press (TVG, HRTV) are biased to the west coast. It's tough to see a big race on hold while TVG shows the post parade at Fairplex.

I love the happenings at both Deleware and Colonial. It just goes to show you if you have ambitious managment and cooperative state govt. good things can happen in this sport. Out here in Boston we have none of that. Did once when Ruffoto was managing Suffolk Downs but he went on the Marlyland. the State govt. out here would just assume that the track just wither up and die. It's a shame because, if there was quality racing out here it would work. So many people from New England make the annual trip to Saratoga. The market is there. It's sad

Originally Posted by todko

New York racing is among the finest in the nation. Delaware Park has some good races and is a fair track to play. I have nothing against East Coast racing. I routinely bet Delaware and Colonial. Belmont also.

What bothers me is the bias of the press, notably the DRF. The written press seems biased to the east while the television press (TVG, HRTV) are biased to the west coast. It's tough to see a big race on hold while TVG shows the post parade at Fairplex.

Quite frankly I don't see a bias at all, on either front.
I think that its obvious that TVG is based on the West Coast, thats where the station is and their employees as well. You can't just put some guys on a plane each day to go and do Delaware Park.
As far as the DRF goes, I don't see it. You have Hovdey, Free, and Privman covering from out there, and plenty of coverage.
Hovdey's columns are consistently about Cali racing and its figures only. Whatever.
I haven't seen any bias in handing out year end votes, none at all. Last year Artie lost a tight vote to a horse who started his campaign in Cali. If there was going to be a bias, I'd think Artie would have won the award. LITF got the sprint award easily, despite never beating elders and only winning one grade one. No bias there either.
I guess maybe people there think horses like Lava Man and RHT don't get enough credit, so they blame it on a bias. Look, thats nonsense as well, complete nonsense. This may shock you, but our standard DRF edition always carries the Cali tracks and their pp's, and we get to watch it on Tv everyday. So its not like noone sees whats going on.
The fact is that horses like RHT and Lava run in the same place against the same horses all year long, who aren't very good horses. They only meet East Coast horses on their home grounds(something that anyone with a brain has been able to see gives a heavy advantage to Cali horses, just look at the results of the BC dirt races run out there over the years, how did Brocco, Success Express, and Action This Day make out after the BC? Come to think of it, SKYWALKER????????).
Noone can honestly get overly excited about watching the same horse sbeat up on the same rivals like Magnum and in RHT's case Imperialism over and over again.
They get all credit they ever deserve when they ship and win against good horses. Look at Azeri.
We know the people awards are always based on earnings, maybe they shouldnt be but its really always been that way.
Show me some proof or examples of this bias, cause all I ever hear is incessant whining about it with no specific intelligent examples cited.

[Gander]

I'll have to resepctfully disagree, but I get your point.

As far as final times go, why would this horse exert himself when he has an open length lead at the 1/8th pole and barely ran that fast to get it? Do you want him to sprint home like 3 turf horses in a flying finish to the wire?

What we should agree on is that next weekend will answer many of the doubts about Bernardini.

Like him or not, we should all appreciate that hes sticking around to try elders. Unlike Point Given who never gave it a shot, yet gets heralded as some super horse when all he did was beat E Dubai and Touch Tone.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by todko

Gander,

Just look at the cold hard facts, he's beaten nobody in average times, he's done nothing to justify the "superhorse" label he has received. Don't tell me about Grade I wins either -- Giacomo won a bigger race than Bernardini, Smarty won more impressively without a rest, Birdstone took down the Belmont and then the Travers. None were called "superhorse". Why should Bernardini be?

To me, and he may prove me wrong (but I doubt it), he's a product of the press hoping to move away from Barbaro.

A "superhorse" proves it against tough company. Ghostzapper vs. Roses In May or St. Liam cutting a 1 1/4 in 1:59 and change.

Bernardini may get a free ride all the way. He surely doesn't have any Ghostzapper, Roses In May, or St. Liam to run against even if he gets past Invasor.

He's just a lucky horse in the right place at the right time -- just like Giacomo was.

I hate to break it to you but there is nothing average about his times and luck had nothing to do with his wins.