The 3yo's are finally starting to look less horrible

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Ogygian

When was the last time there was a "good" group of 3 year olds at this point on the Derby Trail? I swear it seems every year the "crop" is "horrible". Whether it is someone posting on here or someone talking on the show it seems like at this point the crop is "weak", "horrible", "slow" and the worst ever.

Street Sense, Any Given Saturday, Curlin, etc... 2007 was a great year and I recall that most were very high on the crop this time of year.

This crop is horrid. We need a Big Brown to come out of the clouds to salvage this year thus far.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Street Sense, Any Given Saturday, Curlin, etc... 2007 was a great year and I recall that most were very high on the crop this time of year.

This crop is horrid. We need a Big Brown to come out of the clouds to salvage this year thus far.

Eskendereya has already done what Big Brown didn't do until late March.

NT

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Eskendereya has already done what Big Brown didn't do until late March.

NT

You're not possibly comparing the two - Eskandereya's FOY to Big Brown's FL Derby, are you? Eskandereya is a Very nice horse, but c'mon, Nick.

If Eskandereya closes from the far outside going away in the FL Derby and I recant my sentiment.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

You're not possibly comparing the two - Eskandereya's FOY to Big Brown's FL Derby, are you? Eskandereya is a Very nice horse, but c'mon, Nick.

If Eskandereya closes from the far outside going away in the FL Derby and I recant my sentiment.

I guess I thought so little of every horse from the 2008 Fla Derby that the effort never struck me as all that great, especially considering he did clear the field even from the outside post.

Eskendereya's FOY was the best performance by any horse from this crop going 2 turns by such a distance that I think it sort of starts to give the 3YOs a modicum of credibility.

NT

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

You're not possibly comparing the two - Eskandereya's FOY to Big Brown's FL Derby, are you? Eskandereya is a Very nice horse, but c'mon, Nick.

If Eskandereya closes from the far outside going away in the FL Derby and I recant my sentiment.

You're not possibly serious with this, are you?

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Eskendereya has already done what Big Brown didn't do until late March.

NT

Eskendereya would have SMOKED BIG BROWN.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Eskendereya would have SMOKED BIG BROWN.

No.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Ogygian

When was the last time there was a "good" group of 3 year olds at this point on the Derby Trail? I swear it seems every year the "crop" is "horrible". Whether it is someone posting on here or someone talking on the show it seems like at this point the crop is "weak", "horrible", "slow" and the worst ever.

Agreed. Every year. I'm not particularly excited about this year's preps or many/any of the horses who have participated yet, but that's not a yearly ritual for me.

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Street Sense, Any Given Saturday, Curlin, etc... 2007 was a great year and I recall that most were very high on the crop this time of year.

This crop is horrid. We need a Big Brown to come out of the clouds to salvage this year thus far.

Not Drugs

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Not Drugs

Let the record show that Any Given Slowpoke was not the stupidest pick ever.....

For starters ... he went off at 13/1 odds ... which made him the 3rd longest priced Todd Pletcher trained horse in the race. Scat Daddy was 7/1 and Circular Quay was 11/1.

Also ... Any Given Slowpoke had an absolutely brutal trip in the race. He broke from post #18 and was EXTREMELY wide on both turns over a track that I believe was at least a borderline gold rail... and I think he also got bumped very hard going into the far turn.



That was his form going into his final career start. He and stablemate Lawyer Ron both were beaten a pole in the slop at very short prices. His 4.5 length Haskell win was over both Hard Spun and Curlin.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

That was his form going into his final career start. He and stablemate Lawyer Ron both were beaten a pole in the slop at very short prices. His 4.5 length Haskell win was over both Hard Spun and Curlin.

That was laughable when NYRA moved the Brooklyn to one week before the Jockey Club Gold Cup.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

That was laughable when NYRA moved the Brooklyn to one week before the Jockey Club Gold Cup.

He really socked it to Tasteyville in that race.

Cowtown Cat was 19/1 in the 2007 Kentucky Derby. Anyone who thinks the crop was that fearsome going into the Derby needs to let 7/1 on Scat Daddy and 19/1 on Cowtown Cat sink in.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Let the record show that Any Given Slowpoke was not the stupidest pick ever.....

For starters ... he went off at 13/1 odds ... which made him the 3rd longest priced Todd Pletcher trained horse in the race. Scat Daddy was 7/1 and Circular Quay was 11/1.

Also ... Any Given Slowpoke had an absolutely brutal trip in the race. He broke from post #18 and was EXTREMELY wide on both turns over a track that I believe was at least a borderline gold rail... and I think he also got bumped very hard going into the far turn.



That was his form going into his final career start. He and stablemate Lawyer Ron both were beaten a pole in the slop at very short prices. His 4.5 length Haskell win was over both Hard Spun and Curlin.

Yea, I probably could've just quoted you instead of linking to it, since really the only thing about that post that was germane to my reply was this:

That's because I really despise this crop from a talent standpoint.

It didn't really have anything to do with AGS or your pick.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Yea, I probably could've just quoted you instead of linking to it, since really the only thing about that post that was germane to my reply was this:

That's because I really despise this crop from a talent standpoint.

It didn't really have anything to do with AGS or your pick.

No problem. You just basically gave me a free pass to go off on how wildly overrated I thought that crop was.

I just hope no one asks about Street Sense's trip that day ... that will probably still get a 14,000,000 word responce from me.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

No problem. You just basically gave me a free pass to go off on how wildly overrated I thought that crop was.

I just hope no one asks about Street Sense's trip that day ... that will probably still get a 14,000,000 word responce from me.

I'll save you time.

He was much the best that day.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Hard Spun?

Yeah ... I realize he set that strong pace and didn't miss by much, but he was also on that live rail. He was obviously plenty best .. but probably not by as gigantic a margin as you think.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Street Sense, Any Given Saturday, Curlin, etc... 2007 was a great year and I recall that most were very high on the crop this time of year.

The horse who came into that years Ky Derby with the highest outright last race Beyer was Curlin .. and it was a 103.

Funny Cide ran a 110 in the Wood and he was 12/1 in the Derby.

War Emblem ran a 112 in his final Derby prep and he was 20/1 in the Derby.

Curlin was a great talent ... but the rest of that crop was just monsterously overrated in my opinion.

Funny Cide would have torched those horses. Smarty Jones would have torched those horses. War Emblem would have torched those horses. Point Given would have killed those horses. Fusaichi Pegasus would have been the best of that group.

Rags to Riches handled them in the only shot she got.