Who is the 2nd worst Champion Older Male in the last 20 years?

[SOREHOOF]

OOps.

[SOREHOOF]

There must have been worse than that.

[robfla]

Kotashaan

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by robfla

Kotashaan

I believe he won Horse of the Year but lost champion older male to Bertrando.

[ateamstupid]

Pleasant Tap's figures are pretty comparable to Curlin's.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Pleasant Tap's figures are pretty comparable to Curlin's.

Curlin's big race at four came in Dubai ... but yeah, he was an overrated but obviously derserving champion at age 4.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Pleasant Tap's best day ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWp2Iftj9iA

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Curlin's big race at four came in Dubai ... but yeah, he was an overrated but obviously derserving champion at age 4.

I guess the question is what we're basing this on, figures or accomplishments. Obviously Curlin accomplished more than Pleasant Tap, but he wasn't much faster, if at all. Do you have access to The Wicked North's PP's? Because he had a way crappier year than Pleasant Tap by stakes results.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by robfla

Kotashaan

1. He was champion turf horse and HOY, not champion older horse.
2. He was one of the best turf horses of the last 30 years, period.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

There must have been worse than that.

Not really ... until last year ... the collection of Champion older male winners have been dynamite going back as far as I can remember.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America...der_Male_Horse


It's almost amusing to think that a horse like Gio Ponti .. who has never even raced on dirt before,and has been beaten in each of his last 2 synthetic tries, and each of his last two turf tries is among them.

People are right when they say Rachel Alexandra and Zenyatta are great. Without a doubt they are ... but the pathetic collection of quality older males around last year is what made them look like the two greatest female horses of all-time to many people.

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Not really ... until last year ... the collection of Champion older male winners have been dynamite going back as far as I can remember.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America...der_Male_Horse


It's almost amusing to think that a horse like Gio Ponti .. who has never even raced on dirt before,and has been beaten in each of his last 2 synthetic tries, and each of his last two turf tries is among them.

People are right when they say Rachel Alexandra and Zenyatta are great. Without a doubt they are ... but the pathetic collection of quality older males around last year is what made them look like the two greatest female horses of all-time to many people.

that is for sure, one beat macho again and the other beat a grass horse and a bunch of dirt horses that didn't belong on the surface. the hoopla and big race is alot of hype but the sport needs it. the two horses are part benefactors of older horse "apathy". thats how gio ponte won it........what could they say ,"none of the above"????